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Post by Marbles on Jan 7, 2020 20:06:46 GMT -8
TV still not here. Truck is grounded for weather concerns in Virginia. Come on pansy. What kind of rinky dink company did you hire American Van Lines or some shit. |
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Post by Fugazi on Jan 7, 2020 20:55:49 GMT -8
What kind of rinky dink company did you hire American Van Lines or some shit. Thank Goc you didn't ship the dog with them |
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Post by gilfan on Jan 8, 2020 15:42:01 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed.
Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe.
Thoughts?
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Post by John96 on Jan 8, 2020 15:47:06 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed. Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe. Thoughts? Certainly could happen but out of everyone on the roster the only guys they could get a modicum of value for would be Labanc and Dillon. I'd be very surprised if Dillon is a Shark past the deadline. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 8, 2020 15:59:34 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed. Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe. Thoughts? Certainly could happen but out of everyone on the roster the only guys they could get a modicum of value for would be Labanc and Dillon. I'd be very surprised if Dillon is a Shark past the deadline. They might be able to squeeze a low-middle pick for Melker Karlsson from a team with PK struggle. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jan 8, 2020 16:50:50 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed. Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe. Thoughts? There were reports that the Leafs were interested in Dillon. |
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Post by Fugazi on Jan 8, 2020 16:55:51 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed. Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe. Thoughts? There were reports that the Leafs were interested in Dillon. Dillion for Marner would work just because Austin Matthews wouldn't fit in with these losers |
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Post by mk391419 on Jan 8, 2020 18:05:27 GMT -8
There were reports that the Leafs were interested in Dillon. Dillion for Marner would work just because Austin Matthews wouldn't fit in with these losers Marner is lazy enough? |
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Post by Fugazi on Jan 8, 2020 18:13:31 GMT -8
Dillion for Marner would work just because Austin Matthews wouldn't fit in with these losers Marner is lazy enough? Hell yeah he is |
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Post by John96 on Jan 8, 2020 19:17:59 GMT -8
Dillon for Kasperi Kapanen. Andreas Johnsson could work too but Kapanen is more attractive almost all around.
Kapanen - 3.2M RFA in 2022
Johnsson - 3.4M UFA in 2023
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Post by mk391419 on Jan 8, 2020 19:28:44 GMT -8
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Post by cjelli on Jan 8, 2020 19:51:22 GMT -8
Dillon for Kasperi Kapanen. Andreas Johnsson could work too but Kapanen is more attractive almost all around. Kapanen - 3.2M RFA in 2022 Johnsson - 3.4M UFA in 2023 The question is:
Why should the next year with this roster be any better? Neither Kapanen nor Johnsson are difference makers. EK must go, he does not fit the team.
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jan 8, 2020 21:52:09 GMT -8
Next years team will be better because they can't be any worse.
EK isnt going anywhere so give him the C and trade for swedes
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 0:55:14 GMT -8
No trades for players. Sharks need draft picks and new GM. Everyone should be on the table. No exceptions. Also DW can’t blame this on the loss of Logan. They were already done. Bonus no first round draft pick for next season.
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 5:45:56 GMT -8
American Van Lines or some shit. Thank Goc you didn't ship the dog with them No shit. Instead he's now thinking he jumps in the car with us every morning. He was happy as a pig in shit spending literally all day with us for 4 days. He's liking the new neighborhood as well. Grass and shrubs everywhere. Woods behind the complex. |
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 5:48:11 GMT -8
Well, Couture is out 6 weeks, broken ankle - I think is safe to say, that whatever slim hopes there were for a playoff run are now completely dashed. Look for us to be sellers at the deadline, I doubt much will happen before then, as to try and get the highest price. Dillon, Melker, gone for sure. Maybe even deal Vlasic, if he wants to go to a contender. Deal Labanc. Heck, deal them all except for Kane / Hertle / Meier / Couture. We know EK65 is staying, as is Burns in all likelihood. After those 6, I doubt anyone is safe. Thoughts? Certainly could happen but out of everyone on the roster the only guys they could get a modicum of value for would be Labanc and Dillon. I'd be very surprised if Dillon is a Shark past the deadline. Which sucks as he has developed nicely and offers a lower 6 option to stabalize either a rookie or one of the offensive d guys. Another situation where you open a hole and pray that you can address it in the offseason I supose. Not sure what the FA pool looks like for July. What a mess this season has been. |
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 5:52:59 GMT -8
No trades for players. Sharks need draft picks and new GM. Everyone should be on the table. No exceptions. Also DW can’t blame this on the loss of Logan. They were already done. Bonus no first round draft pick for next season. Trades for players are fine if they can lock down anyone with a couple years of term and ability to adress an immediate issue (immediate meaning - they need to fix it for next season). If you can trade a Dillon type for someone that can make a difference in the middle 6 forward core I think that's an ok move and leaves you looking to FA to fill that gap. While I'm also ok offloading a couple of the weaker guys for picks, those picks are going to take years to be of any impact and DW or the next GM are going to need to also seek ways to at least field a playoff contender next year. Now may actually be a better time to get a swap done rather than the deadline where it's going to be the chop shop approach and taking any picks in they can. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 6:01:35 GMT -8
I would prefer to have another Dillon or two on the D. Nothing fancy from him but gritty and the type of player you need in the postseason. I don’t think you can have Burns and EK65 on the same team. One has to go.
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 7:39:34 GMT -8
Dillon for Kasperi Kapanen. Andreas Johnsson could work too but Kapanen is more attractive almost all around. Kapanen - 3.2M RFA in 2022 Johnsson - 3.4M UFA in 2023 The question is:
Why should the next year with this roster be any better? Neither Kapanen nor Johnsson are difference makers. EK must go, he does not fit the team.
He must go but he can’t. There is no chance anyone is taking on that contract with his current level of play and there’s no way DW can leverage the situation in his favor. Maybe it won’t be better but can they really launch into rebuild mode? I’d say no. Plus good players can have bad years. I don’t believe Burns, Meier, and others forgot how to play, it’s an off year with a weaker lineup. It happens. Can they improve in those weaker areas? I think they could. Neither are difference makers but this team is a bad position to rebuild. Not enough draft capital, too many long term deals, too many players in their prime. Aside from Dillon/Labanc, trades are going to be hockey trades. Blowing it up could be the course but no way DW is in charge in that case, you have to start from scratch. If they finally wake up and address the netminding (or lack thereof), get some depth, and a coach who could work with the roster as is (Laviolette) they might have a chance to keep the window open for the rest of Couture/Hertl/Kane/Burns/Meier contracts. Blowing it up is certainly an option at this point but rebuilds are long and arduous (hello Detroit), maybe the better bet is sustaining yourself for another year or two and hope you’ll be in better shape then rather than if you start over. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 8:00:14 GMT -8
The question is:
Why should the next year with this roster be any better? Neither Kapanen nor Johnsson are difference makers. EK must go, he does not fit the team.
He must go but he can’t. There is no chance anyone is taking on that contract with his current level of play and there’s no way DW can leverage the situation in his favor. Maybe it won’t be better but can they really launch into rebuild mode? I’d say no. Plus good players can have bad years. I don’t believe Burns, Meier, and others forgot how to play, it’s an off year with a weaker lineup. It happens. Can they improve in those weaker areas? I think they could. Neither are difference makers but this team is a bad position to rebuild. Not enough draft capital, too many long term deals, too many players in their prime. Aside from Dillon/Labanc, trades are going to be hockey trades. Blowing it up could be the course but no way DW is in charge in that case, you have to start from scratch. If they finally wake up and address the netminding (or lack thereof), get some depth, and a coach who could work with the roster as is (Laviolette) they might have a chance to keep the window open for the rest of Couture/Hertl/Kane/Burns/Meier contracts. Blowing it up is certainly an option at this point but rebuilds are long and arduous (hello Detroit), maybe the better bet is sustaining yourself for another year or two and hope you’ll be in better shape then rather than if you start over. Maybe they forgot how to play, but all at once, together?
I have no idea how this org can move forward with a prospect pipeline so poor and the minor league team so bad... It's Augean stables currently, and it looked so promising just 3-4 years ago. Kinda similar to Nashville...
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 8:31:54 GMT -8
He must go but he can’t. There is no chance anyone is taking on that contract with his current level of play and there’s no way DW can leverage the situation in his favor. Maybe it won’t be better but can they really launch into rebuild mode? I’d say no. Plus good players can have bad years. I don’t believe Burns, Meier, and others forgot how to play, it’s an off year with a weaker lineup. It happens. Can they improve in those weaker areas? I think they could. Neither are difference makers but this team is a bad position to rebuild. Not enough draft capital, too many long term deals, too many players in their prime. Aside from Dillon/Labanc, trades are going to be hockey trades. Blowing it up could be the course but no way DW is in charge in that case, you have to start from scratch. If they finally wake up and address the netminding (or lack thereof), get some depth, and a coach who could work with the roster as is (Laviolette) they might have a chance to keep the window open for the rest of Couture/Hertl/Kane/Burns/Meier contracts. Blowing it up is certainly an option at this point but rebuilds are long and arduous (hello Detroit), maybe the better bet is sustaining yourself for another year or two and hope you’ll be in better shape then rather than if you start over. Maybe they forgot how to play, but all at once, together?
I have no idea how this org can move forward with a prospect pipeline so poor and the minor league team so bad... It's Augean stables currently, and it looked so promising just 3-4 years ago. Kinda similar to Nashville...
Does Jones decline line up with new goalie smaller pad rules timing? |
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 9:33:15 GMT -8
I would prefer to have another Dillon or two on the D. Nothing fancy from him but gritty and the type of player you need in the postseason. I don’t think you can have Burns and EK65 on the same team. One has to go. I agree with both. The question though is how you leverage those guys to fix forward core. I'd almost be more ok trading Burns for some forward help and then resign Dillon / attempt to find another middle D guy with some prescence in the offseason. |
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 9:33:51 GMT -8
Maybe they forgot how to play, but all at once, together?
I have no idea how this org can move forward with a prospect pipeline so poor and the minor league team so bad... It's Augean stables currently, and it looked so promising just 3-4 years ago. Kinda similar to Nashville...
Does Jones decline line up with new goalie smaller pad rules timing? It does line up pretty well, new rules went into effect start of last season. His style of play follows too. He’s not an athlete, reactionary, type of goalie, he’s more of a shot blocker, just get in the way, be square and let the puck hit you. Advanced stats tell the truth, Sharks’ goaltending has been dreadful since the start of last year. Lack of help or not, it’s been awful and it needs to change. Any conversation about the future starts and ends there. |
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 9:35:05 GMT -8
Maybe they forgot how to play, but all at once, together?
I have no idea how this org can move forward with a prospect pipeline so poor and the minor league team so bad... It's Augean stables currently, and it looked so promising just 3-4 years ago. Kinda similar to Nashville...
Does Jones decline line up with new goalie smaller pad rules timing? It did. I believe the rule change occurred prior to start of last season. |
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 9:37:20 GMT -8
He must go but he can’t. There is no chance anyone is taking on that contract with his current level of play and there’s no way DW can leverage the situation in his favor. Maybe it won’t be better but can they really launch into rebuild mode? I’d say no. Plus good players can have bad years. I don’t believe Burns, Meier, and others forgot how to play, it’s an off year with a weaker lineup. It happens. Can they improve in those weaker areas? I think they could. Neither are difference makers but this team is a bad position to rebuild. Not enough draft capital, too many long term deals, too many players in their prime. Aside from Dillon/Labanc, trades are going to be hockey trades. Blowing it up could be the course but no way DW is in charge in that case, you have to start from scratch. If they finally wake up and address the netminding (or lack thereof), get some depth, and a coach who could work with the roster as is (Laviolette) they might have a chance to keep the window open for the rest of Couture/Hertl/Kane/Burns/Meier contracts. Blowing it up is certainly an option at this point but rebuilds are long and arduous (hello Detroit), maybe the better bet is sustaining yourself for another year or two and hope you’ll be in better shape then rather than if you start over. Maybe they forgot how to play, but all at once, together?
I have no idea how this org can move forward with a prospect pipeline so poor and the minor league team so bad... It's Augean stables currently, and it looked so promising just 3-4 years ago. Kinda similar to Nashville...
They need to improve the drafting/development no question. I think he sad state their in right now leaves you hoping for better next year and whatever improvements you can manage because you’re not in any position to rebuild. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Jan 9, 2020 9:44:30 GMT -8
Does Jones decline line up with new goalie smaller pad rules timing? It does line up pretty well, new rules went into effect start of last season. His style of play follows too. He’s not an athlete, reactionary, type of goalie, he’s more of a shot blocker, just get in the way, be square and let the puck hit you. Advanced stats tell the truth, Sharks’ goaltending has been dreadful since the start of last year. Lack of help or not, it’s been awful and it needs to change. Any conversation about the future starts and ends there. Agree and I’ve been saying the same since last year. That was the reason I was against signing EK. DW should have used that $$ on a goalie...because until thats fixed, nothing else matters. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:30:14 GMT -8
It does line up pretty well, new rules went into effect start of last season. His style of play follows too. He’s not an athlete, reactionary, type of goalie, he’s more of a shot blocker, just get in the way, be square and let the puck hit you. Advanced stats tell the truth, Sharks’ goaltending has been dreadful since the start of last year. Lack of help or not, it’s been awful and it needs to change. Any conversation about the future starts and ends there. Agree and I’ve been saying the same since last year. That was the reason I was against signing EK. DW should have used that $$ on a goalie...because until thats fixed, nothing else matters. Agree on Jones but it is not just him either. This team is defective. |
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 10:52:44 GMT -8
Agree and I’ve been saying the same since last year. That was the reason I was against signing EK. DW should have used that $$ on a goalie...because until thats fixed, nothing else matters. Agree on Jones but it is not just him either. This team is defective. No argument on either point but poor goaltending is like poor QB play, you can only mask it so long and it’s not the way to get to the top. Jones/Dell may not get a lot of help but aren’t helping anybody either. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -8
Agree on Jones but it is not just him either. This team is defective. No argument on either point but poor goaltending is like poor QB play, you can only mask it so long and it’s not the way to get to the top. Jones/Dell may not get a lot of help but aren’t helping anybody either. Agree 100% it is a huge issue and the biggest one. Just dont think you can have 65 and 88 on the same team. You really really need to play strong D for a deep run. A goalie can steal a game and even a series (Hiller/Quick) but you still need the D to do their job. |
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 11:36:46 GMT -8
No argument on either point but poor goaltending is like poor QB play, you can only mask it so long and it’s not the way to get to the top. Jones/Dell may not get a lot of help but aren’t helping anybody either. Agree 100% it is a huge issue and the biggest one. Just dont think you can have 65 and 88 on the same team. You really really need to play strong D for a deep run. A goalie can steal a game and even a series (Hiller/Quick) but you still need the D to do their job. Not with them taking up to 20M in cap space. |
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