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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 1:01:49 GMT -8
Sharks have pride. This would be a good time to show up and play as a team.
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Post by redbeard on Jan 9, 2020 7:19:40 GMT -8
They do?? Since when? Did they make a trade?? |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 8:33:08 GMT -8
They do?? Since when? Did they make a trade?? Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jan 9, 2020 8:58:00 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup.
That seems to be the problem for many years now, trying to win the cup for 1 guy instead of doing it for the whole team & fan base. Remember Ernie Banks never played in a MLB Playoff game, So looks like JT with have to do without
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Post by oaklandshark on Jan 9, 2020 9:19:47 GMT -8
we need 2-3 shutdown defenseman....this is ridiculous
instead we have burns n ek65
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:04:56 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. That seems to be the problem for many years now, trying to win the cup for 1 guy instead of doing it for the whole team & fan base. Remember Ernie Banks never played in a MLB Playoff game, So looks like JT with have to do without I am sure they all want it but they are missing some killer instincts. Reverse sweep proved this. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 10:11:57 GMT -8
They do?? Since when? Did they make a trade?? Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. The only pride they may have is the pride parade. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:25:25 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. The only pride they may have is the pride parade. Are you suggesting they sit to pee? |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:28:08 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. That seems to be the problem for many years now, trying to win the cup for 1 guy instead of doing it for the whole team & fan base. Remember Ernie Banks never played in a MLB Playoff game, So looks like JT with have to do without I think they all want it for the right reasons. I dont question desire. In the case of Jumbo he is so loved by his teammates and by many other in the league this is extra motivation in an unselfish way. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 10:28:30 GMT -8
The only pride they may have is the pride parade. Are you suggesting they sit to pee? No, I am suggesting they wear diapers. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 10:31:20 GMT -8
Are you suggesting they sit to pee? No, I am suggesting they wear diapers. I have been told some people do this at concerts. Gross. |
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 11:05:00 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. That seems to be the problem for many years now, trying to win the cup for 1 guy instead of doing it for the whole team & fan base. Remember Ernie Banks never played in a MLB Playoff game, So looks like JT with have to do without I think they all want it for the right reasons. I dont question desire. In the case of Jumbo he is so loved by his teammates and by many other in the league this is extra motivation in an unselfish way. Any desire type issues I think were largely over blown and likely only really applicable in a couple years (Ron Wilson and The Presidents Trophy year come to mind). Most other seasons the Sharks have just straight up showed major short comings throughout the regular season, usually due to personal or system composition, and these ended up being exacerbated against stronger opposition in the playoffs. The western conference losses to Chicago/Vancouver and even the loss to the Pens really show this. It wasn't lack of desire, just a team meeting its kryptonite. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 11:13:18 GMT -8
I think they all want it for the right reasons. I dont question desire. In the case of Jumbo he is so loved by his teammates and by many other in the league this is extra motivation in an unselfish way. Any desire type issues I think were largely over blown and likely only really applicable in a couple years (Ron Wilson and The Presidents Trophy year come to mind). Most other seasons the Sharks have just straight up showed major short comings throughout the regular season, usually due to personal or system composition, and these ended up being exacerbated against stronger opposition in the playoffs. The western conference losses to Chicago/Vancouver and even the loss to the Pens really show this. It wasn't lack of desire, just a team meeting its kryptonite. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players. The run to the finals was a great example of determination and toughness. They were beat up but overcame to get there. They battled hard but the better team won and no Hertl did not help. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jan 9, 2020 14:16:12 GMT -8
I think they all want it for the right reasons. I dont question desire. In the case of Jumbo he is so loved by his teammates and by many other in the league this is extra motivation in an unselfish way. Any desire type issues I think were largely over blown and likely only really applicable in a couple years (Ron Wilson and The Presidents Trophy year come to mind). Most other seasons the Sharks have just straight up showed major short comings throughout the regular season, usually due to personal or system composition, and these ended up being exacerbated against stronger opposition in the playoffs. The western conference losses to Chicago/Vancouver and even the loss to the Pens really show this. It wasn't lack of desire, just a team meeting its kryptonite. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players You hit the nail on the head, How many more years is DW going to get the chance to build a team to go all the. And how many coaches as he(DW) Hired & fired during his time as GM? |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 14:22:47 GMT -8
Any desire type issues I think were largely over blown and likely only really applicable in a couple years (Ron Wilson and The Presidents Trophy year come to mind). Most other seasons the Sharks have just straight up showed major short comings throughout the regular season, usually due to personal or system composition, and these ended up being exacerbated against stronger opposition in the playoffs. The western conference losses to Chicago/Vancouver and even the loss to the Pens really show this. It wasn't lack of desire, just a team meeting its kryptonite. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players You hit the nail on the head, How many more years is DW going to get the chance to build a team to go all the. And how many coaches as he(DW) Hired & fired during his time as GM? Outside the most importation goal for this team he has been very successful. I do agree though he should go. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jan 9, 2020 14:41:32 GMT -8
And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players You hit the nail on the head, How many more years is DW going to get the chance to build a team to go all the. And how many coaches as he(DW) Hired & fired during his time as GM? Outside the most importation goal for this team he has been very successful. I do agree though he should go. The Buffalo Bills were very successful in the 90's. DW has not built a team to take them over the hump, He falls in love with his guys & some questionable draft picks. He's got 2 dmen that play a similar game(Burns & EK65) both are offensive dmen & get caught out of position. He's got 3 Power forwards(Meier,Hertl & Kane) not to much speed, Marleau at 40 years old is still the fastest skater on the team. It's time for a fresh face with new idea's. Heck even Dean "dumbo" Lombardi has won 2 cups. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 15:04:29 GMT -8
Outside the most importation goal for this team he has been very successful. I do agree though he should go. The Buffalo Bills were very successful in the 90's. DW has not built a team to take them over the hump, He falls in love with his guys & some questionable draft picks. He's got 2 dmen that play a similar game(Burns & EK65) both are offensive dmen & get caught out of position. He's got 3 Power forwards(Meier,Hertl & Kane) not to much speed, Marleau at 40 years old is still the fastest skater on the team. It's time for a fresh face with new idea's. Heck even Dean "dumbo" Lombardi has won 2 cups. The Bills situation was a bit different. Given the money they had I would argue the over achieved. Most built via the draft. They were outspend as at that time no salary cap. Also they were one bad field goal away from winning one. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jan 9, 2020 15:14:34 GMT -8
Most built via the draft
That's the key right there, The Draft. The Sharks with Lombardi started drafting badly. Drafting Pat Falloon over Scott Neidmayer(You build from the goaltender out, Defense(Except this team) wins games), Then he took what in his words were the next Mario Lemieux in Victor Kozlov( The only things they had in common they are both around 6foot 5) over Chris Pronger, Then Wilson drafting Meier over Matthew Barzal, Size(Which they already have Hertl) over Speed & play making, Which the Sharks lack in. I grew up watching Bill Torrey build the New York Islanders into a dynasty in the late 70's until the late 80's, By building the team from the goalie out(Billy Smith/Chico Resch) Then D.Potvin. All I want before I die, Just like most everyone here want to see the Sharks win a Stanley Cup, But I don't forsee that, unless we start listening to Hahn,Baker,Hedican, Brodie & Brown say the Sharks can do what the Blues did last year which I don't think will happen.
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 16:08:46 GMT -8
Most built via the draft That's the key right there, The Draft. The Sharks with Lombardi started drafting badly. Drafting Pat Falloon over Scott Neidmayer(You build from the goaltender out, Defense(Except this team) wins games), Then he took what in his words were the next Mario Lemieux in Victor Kozlov( The only things they had in common they are both around 6foot 5) over Chris Pronger, Then Wilson drafting Meier over Matthew Barzal, Size(Which they already have Hertl) over Speed & play making, Which the Sharks lack in. I grew up watching Bill Torrey build the New York Islanders into a dynasty in the late 70's until the late 80's, By building the team from the goalie out(Billy Smith/Chico Resch) Then D.Potvin. All I want before I die, Just like most everyone here want to see the Sharks win a Stanley Cup, But I don't forsee that, unless we start listening to Hahn,Baker,Hedican, Brodie & Brown say the Sharks can do what the Blues did last year which I don't think will happen. What the Blues pulled off last season is very rare. The spark was a new rookie goalie standing on his head all the way to the cup. How much will the above cheerleaders bet me on the Sharks pulling this off this season? |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 16:28:18 GMT -8
Most built via the draft That's the key right there, The Draft. The Sharks with Lombardi started drafting badly. Drafting Pat Falloon over Scott Neidmayer(You build from the goaltender out, Defense(Except this team) wins games), Then he took what in his words were the next Mario Lemieux in Victor Kozlov( The only things they had in common they are both around 6foot 5) over Chris Pronger, Then Wilson drafting Meier over Matthew Barzal, Size(Which they already have Hertl) over Speed & play making, Which the Sharks lack in. I grew up watching Bill Torrey build the New York Islanders into a dynasty in the late 70's until the late 80's, By building the team from the goalie out(Billy Smith/Chico Resch) Then D.Potvin. All I want before I die, Just like most everyone here want to see the Sharks win a Stanley Cup, But I don't forsee that, unless we start listening to Hahn,Baker,Hedican, Brodie & Brown say the Sharks can do what the Blues did last year which I don't think will happen. I don't know if 59 refers to age/birth year, or to the score in the English in the high school diploma, but this combination of upper and lower case as well as the usage of spaces, or lack thereof, the typos in names, etc. is absolutely unreadable.
Maybe to people like me who only speak English as their third language, though...
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 16:29:11 GMT -8
Most built via the draft That's the key right there, The Draft. The Sharks with Lombardi started drafting badly. Drafting Pat Falloon over Scott Neidmayer(You build from the goaltender out, Defense(Except this team) wins games), Then he took what in his words were the next Mario Lemieux in Victor Kozlov( The only things they had in common they are both around 6foot 5) over Chris Pronger, Then Wilson drafting Meier over Matthew Barzal, Size(Which they already have Hertl) over Speed & play making, Which the Sharks lack in. I grew up watching Bill Torrey build the New York Islanders into a dynasty in the late 70's until the late 80's, By building the team from the goalie out(Billy Smith/Chico Resch) Then D.Potvin. All I want before I die, Just like most everyone here want to see the Sharks win a Stanley Cup, But I don't forsee that, unless we start listening to Hahn,Baker,Hedican, Brodie & Brown say the Sharks can do what the Blues did last year which I don't think will happen. What the Blues pulled off last season is very rare. The spark was a new rookie goalie standing on his head all the way to the cup. How much will the above cheerleaders bet me on the Sharks pulling this off this season? Not so rare. Re: PIT/2009 Re: LAK/2012
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Post by Marbles on Jan 9, 2020 16:35:08 GMT -8
Any desire type issues I think were largely over blown and likely only really applicable in a couple years (Ron Wilson and The Presidents Trophy year come to mind). Most other seasons the Sharks have just straight up showed major short comings throughout the regular season, usually due to personal or system composition, and these ended up being exacerbated against stronger opposition in the playoffs. The western conference losses to Chicago/Vancouver and even the loss to the Pens really show this. It wasn't lack of desire, just a team meeting its kryptonite. And that buck stops with the GM and Coaches well before the players. The run to the finals was a great example of determination and toughness. They were beat up but overcame to get there. They battled hard but the better team won and no Hertl did not help. I'd say that again they met a team constructed to beat their system. With or without Hertl I don't think the match the speed of that Pitt team. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 16:37:29 GMT -8
What the Blues pulled off last season is very rare. The spark was a new rookie goalie standing on his head all the way to the cup. How much will the above cheerleaders bet me on the Sharks pulling this off this season? Not so rare. Re: PIT/2009 Re: LAK/2012
Re: PIT/2016 I do recall the Kings run but I thought the Pens were not so bad midway through? The common thread for all of these is great goalie play. Th only way the sharks can change their fortunes is not in their lineup. I dont know why they dont give the kid playing with the cuda a shot. Nothing to lose now. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 16:38:27 GMT -8
Not so rare. Re: PIT/2009 Re: LAK/2012
Re: PIT/2016 I do recall the Kings run but I thought the Pens were not so bad midway through? The common thread for all of these is great goalie play. Th only way the sharks can change their fortunes is not in their lineup. I dont know why they dont give the kid playing with the cuda a shot. Nothing to lose now. I agree and Bonino was on fire. The Pens were the better team but Hertl would have given them a chance. |
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Post by redbeard on Jan 9, 2020 16:39:11 GMT -8
They do?? Since when? Did they make a trade?? Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. I think they're camping quite happily here. If they were in TO or NY getting absolutely torched on a daily basis, they might not be so happy. They're living the dream here. Unless you're a 4th liner, you're going to get a regular shift. There isn't enough accountability in the organization. Starts with Tanboy, maybe even higher. Plenty of the players have deserved plenty of pressbox time. You can't bench them all but you can bench a few at a time. Anybody on the roster, regardless of "status," should be put on popcorn patrol if/when they deserve it. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey. You slack off, you get benched. That's not the process here. Accountability is only for 4th liners and 'Cuda call-ups. Nobody on this team plays a game like it might be their last. The team needs some "fear" motivation. They're FAR too comfortable. Love for Jumbo surely hasn't been enough motivation. Speaking of Jumbo, if he wants a Cup, maybe it's time to be a REAL fucking leader, step up, and put a stop to this shit! "This is my last rodeo! I'm not going out like this!! |
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Post by John96 on Jan 9, 2020 16:48:13 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. I think they're camping quite happily here. If they were in TO or NY getting absolutely torched on a daily basis, they might not be so happy. They're living the dream here. Unless you're a 4th liner, you're going to get a regular shift. There isn't enough accountability in the organization. Starts with Tanboy, maybe even higher. Plenty of the players have deserved plenty of pressbox time. You can't bench them all but you can bench a few at a time. Anybody on the roster, regardless of "status," should be put on popcorn patrol if/when they deserve it. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey. You slack off, you get benched. That's not the process here. Accountability is only for 4th liners and 'Cuda call-ups. Nobody on this team plays a game like it might be their last. The team needs some "fear" motivation. They're FAR too comfortable. Love for Jumbo surely hasn't been enough motivation. Speaking of Jumbo, if he wants a Cup, maybe it's time to be a REAL fucking leader, step up, and put a stop to this shit! "This is my last rodeo! I'm not going out like this!! Can’t ignore this. Even I am shocked at how little attentions the Sharks train wreck of a season is getting. This is a team everyone had in the playoff picture and they are clearly bottom five in the whole league with no signs of improvement on the horizon. If this team was in another market who knows what would happen but the calls for change, big change, would be loud, maybe even deafening. It’s a microcosm but I think it’s worth pointing out; how many times in the DW era has third/fourth line started a game or period or even just a bottom six guy getting a shift with the big boys? I can’t think of the last time and I don’t remember it happening often. Other teams do it all the time. Now effectiveness can be debated but I always found that interesting or some times aggravating. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 16:48:29 GMT -8
Ha, I am quite certain they really do have pride and are not happy campers right now. A bunch of them wanted to get Jumbo a cup. I think they're camping quite happily here. If they were in TO or NY getting absolutely torched on a daily basis, they might not be so happy. They're living the dream here. Unless you're a 4th liner, you're going to get a regular shift. There isn't enough accountability in the organization. Starts with Tanboy, maybe even higher. Plenty of the players have deserved plenty of pressbox time. You can't bench them all but you can bench a few at a time. Anybody on the roster, regardless of "status," should be put on popcorn patrol if/when they deserve it. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey. You slack off, you get benched. That's not the process here. Accountability is only for 4th liners and 'Cuda call-ups. Nobody on this team plays a game like it might be their last. The team needs some "fear" motivation. They're FAR too comfortable. Love for Jumbo surely hasn't been enough motivation. Speaking of Jumbo, if he wants a Cup, maybe it's time to be a REAL fucking leader, step up, and put a stop to this shit! "This is my last rodeo! I'm not going out like this!! I agree, The Ducks benched Getz when he was not playing their system. Other coaches do it too. It is far more effective to do it to a top player than a lower level guy. Burns and Karl have earned a sit down more than once but they are not held accountable and that send the worst possible message. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jan 9, 2020 16:50:30 GMT -8
I think they're camping quite happily here. If they were in TO or NY getting absolutely torched on a daily basis, they might not be so happy. They're living the dream here. Unless you're a 4th liner, you're going to get a regular shift. There isn't enough accountability in the organization. Starts with Tanboy, maybe even higher. Plenty of the players have deserved plenty of pressbox time. You can't bench them all but you can bench a few at a time. Anybody on the roster, regardless of "status," should be put on popcorn patrol if/when they deserve it. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey. You slack off, you get benched. That's not the process here. Accountability is only for 4th liners and 'Cuda call-ups. Nobody on this team plays a game like it might be their last. The team needs some "fear" motivation. They're FAR too comfortable. Love for Jumbo surely hasn't been enough motivation. Speaking of Jumbo, if he wants a Cup, maybe it's time to be a REAL fucking leader, step up, and put a stop to this shit! "This is my last rodeo! I'm not going out like this!! Can’t ignore this. Even I am shocked at how little attentions the Sharks train wreck of a season is getting. This is a team everyone had in the playoff picture and they are clearly bottom five in the whole league with no signs of improvement on the horizon. If this team was in another market who knows what would happen but the calls for change, big change, would be loud, maybe even deafening. It’s a microcosm but I think it’s worth pointing out; how many times in the DW era has third/fourth line started a game or period or even just a bottom six guy getting a shift with the big boys? I can’t think of the last time and I don’t remember it happening often. Other teams do it all the time. Now effectiveness can be debated but I always found that interesting or some times aggravating. The only top Shark that has lost any ice time that I am aware of is Timo. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 17:22:20 GMT -8
I think they're camping quite happily here. If they were in TO or NY getting absolutely torched on a daily basis, they might not be so happy. They're living the dream here. Unless you're a 4th liner, you're going to get a regular shift. There isn't enough accountability in the organization. Starts with Tanboy, maybe even higher. Plenty of the players have deserved plenty of pressbox time. You can't bench them all but you can bench a few at a time. Anybody on the roster, regardless of "status," should be put on popcorn patrol if/when they deserve it. I don't care what name is on the back of the jersey. You slack off, you get benched. That's not the process here. Accountability is only for 4th liners and 'Cuda call-ups. Nobody on this team plays a game like it might be their last. The team needs some "fear" motivation. They're FAR too comfortable. Love for Jumbo surely hasn't been enough motivation. Speaking of Jumbo, if he wants a Cup, maybe it's time to be a REAL fucking leader, step up, and put a stop to this shit! "This is my last rodeo! I'm not going out like this!! Can’t ignore this. Even I am shocked at how little attentions the Sharks train wreck of a season is getting. This is a team everyone had in the playoff picture and they are clearly bottom five in the whole league with no signs of improvement on the horizon. If this team was in another market who knows what would happen but the calls for change, big change, would be loud, maybe even deafening. It’s a microcosm but I think it’s worth pointing out; how many times in the DW era has third/fourth line started a game or period or even just a bottom six guy getting a shift with the big boys? I can’t think of the last time and I don’t remember it happening often. Other teams do it all the time. Now effectiveness can be debated but I always found that interesting or some times aggravating. The Warriors are shitting the bed and the 49ers are in the playoffs. Who cares about the Sharks?.. |
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Post by cjelli on Jan 9, 2020 17:30:00 GMT -8
Not so rare. Re: PIT/2009 Re: LAK/2012
Re: PIT/2016 I do recall the Kings run but I thought the Pens were not so bad midway through? The common thread for all of these is great goalie play. Th only way the sharks can change their fortunes is not in their lineup. I dont know why they dont give the kid playing with the cuda a shot. Nothing to lose now. PIT was 10th out of 15, 6 pts out of PO with only 25 games to go in 2008/09. PIT was 9th out of 15 after 28 games in 2015/16 LAK was 9-10th out 15 after 32 fames in 2011/12
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