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Post by coachjules on Oct 11, 2020 13:11:12 GMT -8
Well yes, in a straight line, like always. No move, no hands, average shot at best. And for all his ice time over 3+ decades of playing, amazingly little creative thinking in his game. SJ doing him a favor obviously but he can afford to retire. His kids must be well along in youth hockey now. He should be a peewees coach. He's chasing the record. He'll retire after he got it. Yes and he wants to retire in SJ in hopes of seeing his shirt in the rafters some day. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 11, 2020 13:58:48 GMT -8
So unless you have a high +/- that means you didn't have any effect on the ice? Then none of these players had any effect on their teams either... Player
Position
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+/-Ron Francis L C 1,731 549 1,249 1,798 -18 Mark Recchi L R 1,652 577 956 1,533 0 Dale Hawerchuk L C 1,188 518 891 1,409 -98 Johnny Bucyk L L 1,540 556 813 1,369 -7 Peter Stastny L C 977 450 789 1,239 -15 Phil Housley L D 1,495 338 894 1,232 -53 Bernie Nicholls R C 1,127 475 734 1,209 -39 Dino Ciccarelli R R 1,232 608 592 1,200 -4 Rod Brind'Amour L C 1,484 452 732 1,184 -39 Bernie Federko L C 1,000 369 761 1,130 -131 Ray Whitney R L 1,330 385 679 1,064 -79 Pat Verbeek R R 1,424 522 540 1,062 -46 Bobby Smith L C 1,077 357 679 1,036 -8 Doug Weight L C 1,238 278 755 1,033 -58 Alex Kovalev L R 1,316 430 599 1,029 -31 Brian Bellows R L 1,188 485 537 1,022 -120 Eric Staal L C 1,240 436 585 1,021 -47 Pat LaFontaine R C 865 468 545 1,013 -6 Shane Doan R R 1,540 402 570 972 -54 Vincent Lecavalier L C 1,212 421 528 949 -140 Owen Nolan R R 1,200 422 463 885 -40 So you are making my point for me? If your team gives up more goals than it scores when you are on the ice, you are not improving its fortunes are you? Of course this needs to be normalized to team performance. Doan, e.g., is an unusual case in that he was the most outstanding player on really bad teams his whole career. Probably some of those other guys too have +/- that was consistently at or above the median for their team every year. Marleau, on the other hand, was way down the +/- list on Sharks teams that were near the top of the league in team net goals for almost all the years he was there. I'm not sure on your logic how that makes your point for you? Just about everyone on that list is a HOF'er or will be. So using you're "logic" if your a minus player, you are not good and definitely shouldn't be in the HOF . There are so many variables that go into a players +/- like being on the penalty kill, if your team sucks at PK your stats will drop. Or if you play against apposing teams top lines etc. As far as the sharks being near the top of the league during Marleau's almost entire career, did you watch the sharks pre-2005 (Jumbo)? He had minus years the sharks missed the playoffs (to include last year) and the only real dud year was 2016 and the sharks went to the SC final. Numbers do not show the same significance in hockey that it does in baseball. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Oct 11, 2020 15:23:39 GMT -8
Looks like Taylor Hall is going to Buffalo
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 11, 2020 15:24:13 GMT -8
I heard that on NHL radio driving home from my road trip. That is insane...that kind of money and contract length...for Kevin LaBanc? DW has clearly jumped on the crazy train. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 11, 2020 15:25:45 GMT -8
Sounds like Patty’s back; 1 year 1M. Thats a way better deal than the millions Labanc got... |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 11, 2020 15:28:08 GMT -8
Sounds like Patty’s back; 1 year 1M. Honestly I'm not even mad. Patty was one of the few bright spots from last season. If him and Jumbo sign for $Mil or less, that would be a very effective 3rd line with some versatility to move up in case of injury. Also leaves a little change for the cap. I see Matt Martin is UFA would he be someone worth bringing in for a 4th line? Love Jumbo, but I have no desire for him to come back. He was horrible last year. Agree with you on PM, at least he can still skate. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 11, 2020 15:29:28 GMT -8
He sure does have a good amount of points (reg season and playoffs) for someone who can only skate forward and an average shot. Apparently the only 500 career goal guy with an average at best shot. 😂😂😂 Well said sir...and I think its around 560 these days... |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 11, 2020 15:34:11 GMT -8
Well yes, in a straight line, like always. No move, no hands, average shot at best. And for all his ice time over 3+ decades of playing, amazingly little creative thinking in his game. SJ doing him a favor obviously but he can afford to retire. His kids must be well along in youth hockey now. He should be a peewees coach. He's chasing the record. He'll retire after he got it. Not sure if he’ll retire right after that but I agree he’s chasing that record. He wants the HOF since he never got the cup. His goals and that record assure him a place in the HOF. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 11, 2020 15:56:39 GMT -8
Looks like Taylor Hall is going to Buffalo So much for him wanting to go somewhere to win the cup lmao (granted BUF is trending up). They flashed him that 8 mil and he was like: I can go another year out of the playoffs lmao. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 11, 2020 15:59:36 GMT -8
Honestly I'm not even mad. Patty was one of the few bright spots from last season. If him and Jumbo sign for $Mil or less, that would be a very effective 3rd line with some versatility to move up in case of injury. Also leaves a little change for the cap. I see Matt Martin is UFA would he be someone worth bringing in for a 4th line? Love Jumbo, but I have no desire for him to come back. He was horrible last year. Agree with you on PM, at least he can still skate. His line kept getting shuffled, it was the best with Goody and Sorenson but most of the team shit the bed anyway. I think with all the time off he will probably be way more productive though. I would love to see him and Patty win the cup then retire, then the Sharks can start the desperately needed rebuild. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 11, 2020 16:31:32 GMT -8
Looks like Taylor Hall is going to Buffalo So much for him wanting to go somewhere to win the cup lmao (granted BUF is trending up). They flashed him that 8 mil and he was like: I can go another year out of the playoffs lmao. It worked out so nice with Jeff Skinner there, didn't it? |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 11, 2020 16:36:32 GMT -8
So much for him wanting to go somewhere to win the cup lmao (granted BUF is trending up). They flashed him that 8 mil and he was like: I can go another year out of the playoffs lmao. It worked out so nice with Jeff Skinner there, didn't it? Very true... Although I'll give props to the new GM, at least he attempting to fix the last guys mistakes. I guess we will see how it all rolls out when the season starts. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 11, 2020 18:50:47 GMT -8
It worked out so nice with Jeff Skinner there, didn't it? Very true... Although I'll give props to the new GM, at least he attempting to fix the last guys mistakes. I guess we will see how it all rolls out when the season starts. I maintain that once a team begins to behave like a salary dump hole, it will stay a salary dump hole no matter what for a long long time... re: Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, first and foremost.
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Post by jackalope on Oct 11, 2020 19:13:08 GMT -8
Very true... Although I'll give props to the new GM, at least he attempting to fix the last guys mistakes. I guess we will see how it all rolls out when the season starts. I maintain that once a team begins to behave like a salary dump hole, it will stay a salary dump hole no matter what for a long long time... re: Arizona, Buffalo, Carolina, first and foremost.
Agreed... I'd bet that the Hall signing is more about gaining some ticket sales back that legitimately making the playoffs. An interesting situation I will be following is DET. Stevie is a wizard (i.e. Tampa) but Holland left that place in such disaster that I want to see if Stevie can save it. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 12, 2020 6:41:53 GMT -8
Odd to see Hall go to BUF, maybe he's made it his mission to play for all the cellar dwellers at the bottom of the NHL. Next stop Florida.
That said, he might push them over the edge. Division is brutal with TB and BOS at the top, TOR behind them. Could Hall perceivably push the Sabres past the Habs and Panthers? Not the craziest thing in the world. Plus he didn't lose much dollar at a time when so many are looking to cut costs and players are being forced to take less and at only one year, he still has a chance to cash in big next year and get out if things don't turn around.
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Post by LordNelson on Oct 12, 2020 7:44:15 GMT -8
Odd to see Hall go to BUF, maybe he's made it his mission to play for all the cellar dwellers at the bottom of the NHL. Next stop Florida. That said, he might push them over the edge. Division is brutal with TB and BOS at the top, TOR behind them. Could Hall perceivably push the Sabres past the Habs and Panthers? Not the craziest thing in the world. Plus he didn't lose much dollar at a time when so many are looking to cut costs and players are being forced to take less and at only one year, he still has a chance to cash in big next year and get out if things don't turn around. seasons ago when Oilers dumped Hall, it came as a bit of a surprise that got fans wondering how Hall got along in ‘the room’.. Now with two additional departures from needy teams, it would appear Hall is not a good ‘chemistry’ guy despite obvious on-ice talents. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 12, 2020 8:34:11 GMT -8
Odd to see Hall go to BUF, maybe he's made it his mission to play for all the cellar dwellers at the bottom of the NHL. Next stop Florida. That said, he might push them over the edge. Division is brutal with TB and BOS at the top, TOR behind them. Could Hall perceivably push the Sabres past the Habs and Panthers? Not the craziest thing in the world. Plus he didn't lose much dollar at a time when so many are looking to cut costs and players are being forced to take less and at only one year, he still has a chance to cash in big next year and get out if things don't turn around. seasons ago when Oilers dumped Hall, it came as a bit of a surprise that got fans wondering how Hall got along in ‘the room’.. Now with two additional departures from needy teams, it would appear Hall is not a good ‘chemistry’ guy despite obvious on-ice talents. And it's become pretty evident that the Oilers trade of Hall was one of the worst trades of the last ten years. Those rumors have been out there so it wouldn't surprise me. He's never gonna be 'the guy' on a contending team but he singlehandedly dragged the Devils to the playoffs that one year which proved he's got a gear a lot higher than almost any other guy you plug in with your top centre to create offense. Maybe it's just what Eichel needs to put the Sabres back into the playoffs? That's the gamble they took and for one year, it's definitely worth it. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 12, 2020 9:29:03 GMT -8
seasons ago when Oilers dumped Hall, it came as a bit of a surprise that got fans wondering how Hall got along in ‘the room’.. Now with two additional departures from needy teams, it would appear Hall is not a good ‘chemistry’ guy despite obvious on-ice talents. And it's become pretty evident that the Oilers trade of Hall was one of the worst trades of the last ten years. Those rumors have been out there so it wouldn't surprise me. He's never gonna be 'the guy' on a contending team but he singlehandedly dragged the Devils to the playoffs that one year which proved he's got a gear a lot higher than almost any other guy you plug in with your top centre to create offense. Maybe it's just what Eichel needs to put the Sabres back into the playoffs? That's the gamble they took and for one year, it's definitely worth it. I like this move for Buffalo. They need to get something to light a fire there. |
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Post by LordNelson on Oct 12, 2020 9:41:10 GMT -8
seasons ago when Oilers dumped Hall, it came as a bit of a surprise that got fans wondering how Hall got along in ‘the room’.. Now with two additional departures from needy teams, it would appear Hall is not a good ‘chemistry’ guy despite obvious on-ice talents. And it's become pretty evident that the Oilers trade of Hall was one of the worst trades of the last ten years. Those rumors have been out there so it wouldn't surprise me. He's never gonna be 'the guy' on a contending team but he singlehandedly dragged the Devils to the playoffs that one year which proved he's got a gear a lot higher than almost any other guy you plug in with your top centre to create offense. Maybe it's just what Eichel needs to put the Sabres back into the playoffs? That's the gamble they took and for one year, it's definitely worth it. One year, $8 million at age 28. Nothing says 'great inside the 200x85 but surly personality' quite like that contract does, IMO. Eichel always looked a little moody to me as well, we'll see how things sort out, Krueger knows Hall from the Oiler days. Buffalo not known as a city where magic happens, so I'd wager Hall moves on again after next season. Kracken probably won't want Hall but maybe DW will for 21-22? Ha! |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 10:22:51 GMT -8
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 12, 2020 10:34:16 GMT -8
Sign Hoffman to the Sharks. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 11:02:03 GMT -8
Sign Hoffman to the Sharks. What could possibly go wrong? They had him for a cup of coffee last year then they traded him to Florida and signed Erik Karlsson. How did that work out for Dougie FUCK |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 11:02:17 GMT -8
from Bill Shea of The Athletic,
Talks are ongoing to extend the NHL’s 10-year, $2 billion broadcast rights deal with NBC that ends after the 2021 season. The league’s 12-year, $4.9 billion Canadian TV rights contract with Rogers Communications ends in 2026....
So how much more money will the NHL get from NBC? Now, it averages $200 million a year while the NBA – which also has 82-game regular seasons for teams but higher overall ratings – gets a combined $2.7 billion annually from ESPN, ABC and Turner Sports.
“I think the NHL will get a nice, solid bump in its rights fees,” Lewis (Jon Lewis, founder of Media Watch) said, without going into specific numbers.
He noted that NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman has signaled that the next U.S. TV deal could be broken up across multiple networks, not unlike the NFL, NBA and MLB, and that games are likely to be spread across cable and streaming.
“For reasons that have been in place long before COVID, you might see a shift in how these games are presented,” Lewis said. “We could see a shift away from traditional cable.”
ESPN, Fox Sports, and Turner Sports are reportedly interested in getting a share of the NHL’s TV and streaming business.
much more (paid subscription)
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 11:06:34 GMT -8
The NBA gets $2.7 Billion a year to promote social justice on TV? I gotta get in on that action
All Lives Matter, where's my money
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Post by cjelli on Oct 12, 2020 11:20:18 GMT -8
And it's become pretty evident that the Oilers trade of Hall was one of the worst trades of the last ten years. Those rumors have been out there so it wouldn't surprise me. He's never gonna be 'the guy' on a contending team but he singlehandedly dragged the Devils to the playoffs that one year which proved he's got a gear a lot higher than almost any other guy you plug in with your top centre to create offense. Maybe it's just what Eichel needs to put the Sabres back into the playoffs? That's the gamble they took and for one year, it's definitely worth it. One year, $8 million at age 28. Nothing says 'great inside the 200x85 but surly personality' quite like that contract does, IMO. Eichel always looked a little moody to me as well, we'll see how things sort out, Krueger knows Hall from the Oiler days. Buffalo not known as a city where magic happens, so I'd wager Hall moves on again after next season. Kracken probably won't want Hall but maybe DW will for 21-22? Ha! Three years ago Joe Thornton signed a 1 year 8 mil contract. With a hometown discount.
Just for comparison.
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Post by cjelli on Oct 12, 2020 11:22:18 GMT -8
The NBA gets $2.7 Billion a year to promote social justice on TV? I gotta get in on that action All Lives Matter, where's my money The NBA is in for a surprise. Silver is already sensing it so he sort of trying to push the social justice stuff off the court.
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 12:08:56 GMT -8
The Carolina Hurricanes have signed defenceman Joakim Ryan to a one-year, two-way contract worth $700,000 at the NHL level and $150,000 at the AHL level.
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 12, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -8
The New York Islanders have signed goaltender Cory Schneider to a one-year, $700,000 contract.
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Post by LordNelson on Oct 12, 2020 15:01:38 GMT -8
One year, $8 million at age 28. Nothing says 'great inside the 200x85 but surly personality' quite like that contract does, IMO. Eichel always looked a little moody to me as well, we'll see how things sort out, Krueger knows Hall from the Oiler days. Buffalo not known as a city where magic happens, so I'd wager Hall moves on again after next season. Kracken probably won't want Hall but maybe DW will for 21-22? Ha! Three years ago Joe Thornton signed a 1 year 8 mil contract. With a hometown discount.
Just for comparison.
LOL. Three years ago Joe Thornton was 38 years old. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 12, 2020 16:11:05 GMT -8
Word on the street is... Alex Pietrangelo signed with Vegas for 8.8 per year. I'm interested to see how Vegas is going to get under/ cheat under the cap.
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