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Post by Fugazi on Jun 13, 2021 13:42:30 GMT -8
Big win for the Islanders on the road
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jun 13, 2021 15:44:35 GMT -8
Hey Doug Wilson, Look from Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun, - What exactly does a general manager do and how much does he matter in the National Hockey League? That discussion came up once again as Lou Lamoriello’s New York Islanders moved on in the Stanley Cup playoffs and his former teams in New Jersey and Toronto plod along uncomfortably. Being a GM is not only about acquiring players, negotiating contracts and trading acumen. That’s the way it’s perceived from the outside. Those are parts of the job. But building a foundation — that’s the most important factor in performance. I remember having a conversation with an Islanders front-office employee just months after Lamoriello had taken over on Long Island. He said he couldn’t believe the difference in the group from before Lamoriello arrived as GM. He talked about team structure, the hiring of Barry Trotz as coach, the way in which everything was geared to team, the notion of one team, one goal.... DW’s plan, One tanning both, one beautiful tan 😂 DW has never had a plan, 1 year it’s size and puck control, then after 2016 we need speed. I just watch the Sharks on TV & try to stay awake. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jun 13, 2021 15:44:54 GMT -8
Big win for the Islanders on the road 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 |
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Post by John96 on Jun 14, 2021 6:39:24 GMT -8
Big win for the Islanders on the road Anyone who thinks the Isles would be an easy out doesn’t know much about them. I think they’d be a better match up for Vegas than Tampa but it’s hard to not think about the two most talented and deepest teams going at it for the cup. |
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Post by jackalope on Jun 14, 2021 8:27:57 GMT -8
Big win for the Islanders on the road Anyone who thinks the Isles would be an easy out doesn’t know much about them. I think they’d be a better match up for Vegas than Tampa but it’s hard to not think about the two most talented and deepest teams going at it for the cup. The Isles and Habs have gotten some disrespect from the betting odds. I don't really care who wins know, anyone but Vegas lol. Hell if Tampa wins, that will be (2) Covid cups and that should equal (1) normal cup lol. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 14, 2021 8:33:20 GMT -8
Anyone who thinks the Isles would be an easy out doesn’t know much about them. I think they’d be a better match up for Vegas than Tampa but it’s hard to not think about the two most talented and deepest teams going at it for the cup. The Isles and Habs have gotten some disrespect from the betting odds. I don't really care who wins know, anyone but Vegas lol. Hell if Tampa wins, that will be (2) Covid cups and that should equal (1) normal cup lol. Anyone but vegas but that said they are deep. Looking forward to seeing how both series play out. |
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Post by jackalope on Jun 14, 2021 9:28:18 GMT -8
The Isles and Habs have gotten some disrespect from the betting odds. I don't really care who wins know, anyone but Vegas lol. Hell if Tampa wins, that will be (2) Covid cups and that should equal (1) normal cup lol. Anyone but vegas but that said they are deep. Looking forward to seeing how both series play out. Yeah I think that what makes their success a harder pill to swallow. Yes they are afforded a metric crap ton of "liberties". But they are a very good team as well, and I hate to give them any credit lol. |
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Post by oaklandshark on Jun 14, 2021 18:21:28 GMT -8
How are the knights so go so fast
Fuck u doug Wilson
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 14, 2021 19:58:32 GMT -8
The deals for Viel, Dahlen and Meloche all have a $750K (minimum) AAV, per source.
Dahlen on a one way contract. We’re going to see what an Allsvenskan MVP looks like. Viel could have a Clowe ceiling? Probably reaching but he does punch faces.
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Post by cjelli on Jun 14, 2021 20:02:44 GMT -8
The deals for Viel, Dahlen and Meloche all have a $750K (minimum) AAV, per source. Dahlen on a one way contract. We’re going to see what an Allsvenskan MVP looks like. Viel could have a Clowe ceiling? Probably reaching but he does punch faces. Allsvenskan is the second tier in Sweden... |
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 14, 2021 20:09:54 GMT -8
Due to Dahlen's previous AHL experience, he will not be automatically exempt from inclusion in the 2021 NHL Expansion Draft. But given the current state of the Sharks, you can guarantee they will protect him from being exposed, as they cannot afford to lose any young talents.
Consequently, that's one fewer veteran the Sharks can protect from exposure to the Seattle Kraken.
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 14, 2021 20:12:36 GMT -8
The deals for Viel, Dahlen and Meloche all have a $750K (minimum) AAV, per source. Dahlen on a one way contract. We’re going to see what an Allsvenskan MVP looks like. Viel could have a Clowe ceiling? Probably reaching but he does punch faces. Allsvenskan is the second tier in Sweden... Yeah SHL mvp has a better ring to it. But the kids gonna play and he’s on a roll and we got nothing. So that’s good |
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 14, 2021 20:18:10 GMT -8
Dobber just predicted his expansion draft picks, he had Balcers going to Seattle
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 14, 2021 20:20:33 GMT -8
Burns could be an expansion draft victim, I have mixed feeling about that but ultimately I hope it doesn’t go down that way. I don’t think he’s done yet.
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Jun 15, 2021 7:11:58 GMT -8
Burns could be an expansion draft victim, I have mixed feeling about that but ultimately I hope it doesn’t go down that way. I don’t think he’s done yet. If it's Burns then....  |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 15, 2021 7:22:35 GMT -8
Due to Dahlen's previous AHL experience, he will not be automatically exempt from inclusion in the 2021 NHL Expansion Draft. But given the current state of the Sharks, you can guarantee they will protect him from being exposed, as they cannot afford to lose any young talents. Consequently, that's one fewer veteran the Sharks can protect from exposure to the Seattle Kraken.Good! |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 15, 2021 7:24:22 GMT -8
Burns could be an expansion draft victim, I have mixed feeling about that but ultimately I hope it doesn’t go down that way. I don’t think he’s done yet. I hope it happens. Sharks need a complete rebuild. Anyone over 30 should go now. Once EK65 sees the reality of total rebuild we will be fine with being traded (if there are any takers). Vlassic will stay till the bitter end. |
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Post by John96 on Jun 15, 2021 7:45:58 GMT -8
Hope Wilson can use the expansion draft to unload Jones. If he can’t just buy him out already. I don’t know what he’d have to do to incentive Seattle to take him but he can’t make the mistake of overpaying to do it like many did with Vegas.
I doubt there’s anyway they’ll pry Vlasic to waive his NMC and Karlsson just isn’t going anywhere with his albatross of a contract. That really just leaves Burns as the simplest way to clear cap space and take the biggest step forward in rebuilding. Which is too bad because he’s performed better and is better value for the dollar than Karlsson or Vlasic. Leaves Simek exposed and his loss would probably help (cap space) more than hurt (like he always is).
Up front I don’t think it is pretty simple, Dahlen (as we’ve heard about), Balcers, Hertl, Labanc, Kane, Couture, and Meier. Nobody else is worth protecting. I would not mind seeing bigger changes up front but you moving any of those guys now is just not gonna get you good value and you have nothing replacing them with. Either way it’s a lottery team next year.
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Post by John96 on Jun 15, 2021 7:47:29 GMT -8
Due to Dahlen's previous AHL experience, he will not be automatically exempt from inclusion in the 2021 NHL Expansion Draft. But given the current state of the Sharks, you can guarantee they will protect him from being exposed, as they cannot afford to lose any young talents. Consequently, that's one fewer veteran the Sharks can protect from exposure to the Seattle Kraken.Good! Which brings it down to Gambrell and Donato really. Not a great choice for Seattle. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 15, 2021 8:05:54 GMT -8
Hope Wilson can use the expansion draft to unload Jones. If he can’t just buy him out already. I don’t know what he’d have to do to incentive Seattle to take him but he can’t make the mistake of overpaying to do it like many did with Vegas. I doubt there’s anyway they’ll pry Vlasic to waive his NMC and Karlsson just isn’t going anywhere with his albatross of a contract. That really just leaves Burns as the simplest way to clear cap space and take the biggest step forward in rebuilding. Which is too bad because he’s performed better and is better value for the dollar than Karlsson or Vlasic. Leaves Simek exposed and his loss would probably help (cap space) more than hurt (like he always is). Up front I don’t think it is pretty simple, Dahlen (as we’ve heard about), Balcers, Hertl, Labanc, Kane, Couture, and Meier. Nobody else is worth protecting. I would not mind seeing bigger changes up front but you moving any of those guys now is just not gonna get you good value and you have nothing replacing them with. Either way it’s a lottery team next year. The Sharks should be willing to deal anyone. Kane had a great year and maybe you can get something for him. Couture and Hertl should be players you can get something in return for. Labanc and Meier are overpaid. As you say Karlsson is just a disaster. Letting Simek go is fine with me. I am ready for a three year project. |
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Post by jackalope on Jun 15, 2021 8:08:59 GMT -8
There isn't a whole lot to pick from, the number of contracts on the book doesn't leave much exposed. I'm not sure what the "penalty" would be for not having enough players to expose to the draft.
Plus with the number of FAs (due to the draft) available right now, there are some players out there that you would not normally be able to acquire in a normal year.
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 15, 2021 8:09:58 GMT -8
Hope Wilson can use the expansion draft to unload Jones. If he can’t just buy him out already. I don’t know what he’d have to do to incentive Seattle to take him but he can’t make the mistake of overpaying to do it like many did with Vegas. I doubt there’s anyway they’ll pry Vlasic to waive his NMC and Karlsson just isn’t going anywhere with his albatross of a contract. That really just leaves Burns as the simplest way to clear cap space and take the biggest step forward in rebuilding. Which is too bad because he’s performed better and is better value for the dollar than Karlsson or Vlasic. Leaves Simek exposed and his loss would probably help (cap space) more than hurt (like he always is). Up front I don’t think it is pretty simple, Dahlen (as we’ve heard about), Balcers, Hertl, Labanc, Kane, Couture, and Meier. Nobody else is worth protecting. I would not mind seeing bigger changes up front but you moving any of those guys now is just not gonna get you good value and you have nothing replacing them with. Either way it’s a lottery team next year. The Sharks should be willing to deal anyone. Kane had a great year and maybe you can get something for him. Couture and Hertl should be players you can get something in return for. Labanc and Meier are overpaid. As you say Karlsson is just a disaster. Letting Simek go is fine with me. I am ready for a three year project. The three year project should have started last year |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 15, 2021 9:39:30 GMT -8
The Sharks should be willing to deal anyone. Kane had a great year and maybe you can get something for him. Couture and Hertl should be players you can get something in return for. Labanc and Meier are overpaid. As you say Karlsson is just a disaster. Letting Simek go is fine with me. I am ready for a three year project. The three year project should have started last year Cup Final visit notwithstanding, the reverse sweep should've been the starting point of the front office rebuild.
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Post by John96 on Jun 15, 2021 10:44:08 GMT -8
The three year project should have started last year Cup Final visit notwithstanding, the reverse sweep should've been the starting point of the front office rebuild.
I think everybody was ready to blow it up after 2014. Cup run was good and 2019 they had a shot but realistically, they underperformed relative to their talent level and injuries caught up to them (which has to be considered when relying on so many over-30 players). It needed to change long ago but at least it’s clear they know what they are now and in need of major work, the problem is doing that work is never easy. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 15, 2021 12:01:48 GMT -8
Cup Final visit notwithstanding, the reverse sweep should've been the starting point of the front office rebuild.
I think everybody was ready to blow it up after 2014. Cup run was good and 2019 they had a shot but realistically, they underperformed relative to their talent level and injuries caught up to them (which has to be considered when relying on so many over-30 players). It needed to change long ago but at least it’s clear they know what they are now and in need of major work, the problem is doing that work is never easy. I do not trust the current brass with any work beyond mopping the hallways. |
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 15, 2021 14:31:13 GMT -8
It would be pretty funny if the Sharks protected list is just Barracuda depth players
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Jun 15, 2021 14:34:19 GMT -8
So is there any team that can take Vegas down a peg? (my random complaint for the day).
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Post by cjelli on Jun 15, 2021 15:15:39 GMT -8
It would be pretty funny if the Sharks protected list is just Barracuda depth players "They can only take one at a time" (C) |
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Post by jackalope on Jun 15, 2021 18:58:58 GMT -8
So is there any team that can take Vegas down a peg? (my random complaint for the day). God I hope so. I think (rather hope I suppose) that the long layoff for the Habs plus the travel got to them for game 1. We will see what the Habs are made of in game 2. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 16, 2021 9:31:28 GMT -8
Last nights game got a bit chippy. Terrible missed two many men on the ice call as TB scored a goal. Dont know how the refs missed that.
Vert quick face off after the goal limited the NYI ability to challenge.
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Coach cant challenge this. You would think 7 men on the ice would be clear but it is a miss on the refs.
Why does the league not allow coaches challenge on this?
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