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Post by jered on Apr 24, 2019 12:27:12 GMT -8
The Vegas board at HFBoards is full of rage against the refs, calling them "sharefs" et al. Quite a few Canuckles and Bruises chipping in as well. No decency. They're not entirely incorrect, it was the wrong call. Should have been either 2+2 or 5 on 3. However, the goalie interference call in game 2 was also wrong. The Sharks could've overcome the bad call in game 2 but they didn't. The Knights could've avoided 4 goals in a 5 minute PK but didn't. That's the way the cookie crumbles. |
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Post by Marbles on Apr 24, 2019 12:28:01 GMT -8
I was arguing with a guy on reddit (3rd party hockey fan) who was adamant the call was not warranted and the refs threw the game. I basically agree with the above. A combination of a gray call that the refs went a bit over on though in a manner I would say is justified even if slightly controversial, and Karma for 5 games of refs bending over backwards. On top of that, responsibility for VGK letting in 4 goals in 5 minutes and the sharks manning the fuck up. Many seasons this call would not have impacted the game to this extent. And if the Sharks didn't earn it theyd be golfing qnd cleaning out lockers this week. So fuck the clowns. We earned round 2. I also heard that the refs may have also been trying to control the game at that point to prevent the Sharks from making runs at guys. That probably played a role as well I 100% agree and this is a large portion of my read on it. Its the overall context of the series and game to that point. Hell, fans were throwing shit on the ice. Right or wrong, the refs are judging the temperature on the benches and going to clamp down to avoid more shit from breaking out. |
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Post by Marbles on Apr 24, 2019 12:34:40 GMT -8
Rave to the photographer who took this shot, and to the hashtag #NightyKnight
Saw this today while watching the replay. Right after Barclay scored. His reaction to goal 4 was also pretty great. |
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Post by bobfrankly on Apr 24, 2019 12:51:10 GMT -8
Going into Game 7 the Sharks were 4 for 25 on the power play. They were 0 for 4 before the 5 minute major. So Vegas gave up 4 power play goals in 4 minutes to a team that at that point was 4 for 29 on the power play in the series. I can see an argument for and against the major penalty. Pavelski hitting his head on the ice was a result of the cross-check causing him to fall backwards and then Stastny shoved him down resulting in a significant injury which would warrant 5 minutes. That being said, Pavelski's injury was more from Stastny's shoving him to the ground while off balance than the cross-check. The anti major crowd is claiming that Stasny couldn't have done anything. I call horseshit but am done arguing with them. No, that's why Stastny almost fell over pushing down. He was trying to push the ice away from Pavelski's head. </sarcasm> I don't believe there was intent to injure, but just like you have to be responsible for your stick, you have to be responsible for not making the dangerous play. |
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Post by bobfrankly on Apr 24, 2019 12:56:04 GMT -8
The Vegas board at HFBoards is full of rage against the refs, calling them "sharefs" et al. Quite a few Canuckles and Bruises chipping in as well. No decency. They're not entirely incorrect, it was the wrong call. Should have been either 2+2 or 5 on 3. However, the goalie interference call in game 2 was also wrong. The Sharks could've overcome the bad call in game 2 but they didn't. The Knights could've avoided 4 goals in a 5 minute PK but didn't. That's the way the cookie crumbles. Doesn't seem there's a double-minor option for cross-checks available to the refs. Had they seen Stastny, they could have done 2 for cross and 2 for interference easily, but missing him and seeing Pavelski bleeding on the ice handcuffed the refs. Just 2 minutes would have been inadequate. However, Vegas continuing to take liberties with ten minutes left and a 3 goal lead was them pushing the limits until they broke. |
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Post by d5shark on Apr 24, 2019 13:06:40 GMT -8
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Post by sharkhaywood on Apr 24, 2019 13:07:46 GMT -8
The Vegas board at HFBoards is full of rage against the refs, calling them "sharefs" et al. Quite a few Canuckles and Bruises chipping in as well. No decency. Vegas fans keeping it classy. |
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Post by bucharu on Apr 24, 2019 13:15:56 GMT -8
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Post by cjelli on Apr 24, 2019 13:19:08 GMT -8
The broken clock shows the time right twice a day. |
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Post by d5shark on Apr 24, 2019 13:42:32 GMT -8
It's like a flip book now 
Rave to the photographer who took this shot, and to the hashtag #NightyKnight
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 24, 2019 13:49:12 GMT -8
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Post by John96 on Apr 24, 2019 13:54:38 GMT -8
I noticed that JT and Reeves talked for a few seconds in the hand shake line...hopefully Reeves was apologizing for his comments in the press about JT. I would hope Reeves got tuned up about him (a guy no one will even remember played the game in a few years) saying classless crap about a guy who’s a first ballot HOF’r. I think Ryan Reaves is going to be remembered for a long time by the hockey fights aficionados like John96 , and then by some. I think Ryan Reaves is going to be remembered for a long time by the hockey fights aficionados like John96 , and then by some. John Scott says that Reaves sucks at fighting. Doesn't land punches and is just strong enough to wrestle people down. Reaves had a habit of ducking the true heavyweights back when they still existed. He has some skill to still remain in the game but stacking him up against the likes of the Colton Orrs, Derek Boogaards, Eric Godards, or Brian McGrattans is just silly. Reaves gets praised when he beats up on guys like Lukas Sedlak or Marcus Foligno. Guy didn't even beat Kane clearly. He's the toughest guy in the NHL right now but that's more about the NHL than about him. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Apr 24, 2019 14:04:08 GMT -8
I think Ryan Reaves is going to be remembered for a long time by the hockey fights aficionados like John96 , and then by some. John Scott says that Reaves sucks at fighting. Doesn't land punches and is just strong enough to wrestle people down. Reaves had a habit of ducking the true heavyweights back when they still existed. He has some skill to still remain in the game but stacking him up against the likes of the Colton Orrs, Derek Boogaards, Eric Godards, or Brian McGrattans is just silly. Reaves gets praised when he beats up on guys like Lukas Sedlak or Marcus Foligno. Guy didn't even beat Kane clearly. He's the toughest guy in the NHL right now but that's more about the NHL than about him. He also has a reputation of throwing a big hit and then leaving the ice before having to answer for it. |
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Post by John96 on Apr 24, 2019 14:08:49 GMT -8
100% of VGK fans would've wanted a five and a game if that happened to Mark Stone instead of Joe Pavelski.
It was a half penalty on both Eakin (crosschecking) and Stastny (interference). Put together and you get one penalty. That's not how it works but any way you cut it you end up with two Knights knocking Pavelski onto his head, causing severe injury. Unless I've read the rulebook wrong the refs cannot call a two minute penalty there. It's either nothing or it's five and a game because Pavelski is clearly injured from the play.
The other part as someone mentioned is temperature control, which is quite valid. If they let one team's captained get knocked, bloodied, and carried off without any penalty called, with how this series has gone, you're rolling the dice with what happens next. You all know I'd be calling for blood. For as much as we criticize the Sharks in that aspect of the game the way the responded on the power play makes me think that with not call, the game gets really ugly really fast.
I don't believe in Karma and both teams got away with some calls but it was pretty clear Vegas benefited from the officiating more than San Jose over the course of those seven games.
And lastly no call fixes a game. You still have to play on the ice. Don't fail to capitalize on great scoring chances. Don't let a fourth line centre who didn't play much beat you in OT. Bounces and calls come and go, just don't allow four goals in less than five minutes and you win the game Golden Knights. It's not asking a lot.
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Apr 24, 2019 14:19:27 GMT -8
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Post by cjelli on Apr 24, 2019 14:21:16 GMT -8
I think Ryan Reaves is going to be remembered for a long time by the hockey fights aficionados like John96 , and then by some. John Scott says that Reaves sucks at fighting. Doesn't land punches and is just strong enough to wrestle people down. Reaves had a habit of ducking the true heavyweights back when they still existed. He has some skill to still remain in the game but stacking him up against the likes of the Colton Orrs, Derek Boogaards, Eric Godards, or Brian McGrattans is just silly. Reaves gets praised when he beats up on guys like Lukas Sedlak or Marcus Foligno. Guy didn't even beat Kane clearly. He's the toughest guy in the NHL right now but that's more about the NHL than about him. You'll put him tougher than Lucic, or you just forgot about Lucic? |
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Post by d5shark on Apr 24, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -8
100% of VGK fans would've wanted a five and a game if that happened to Mark Stone instead of Joe Pavelski. It was a half penalty on both Eakin (crosschecking) and Stastny (interference). Put together and you get one penalty. That's not how it works but any way you cut it you end up with two Knights knocking Pavelski onto his head, causing severe injury. Unless I've read the rulebook wrong the refs cannot call a two minute penalty there. It's either nothing or it's five and a game because Pavelski is clearly injured from the play. The other part as someone mentioned is temperature control, which is quite valid. If they let one team's captained get knocked, bloodied, and carried off without any penalty called, with how this series has gone, you're rolling the dice with what happens next. You all know I'd be calling for blood. For as much as we criticize the Sharks in that aspect of the game the way the responded on the power play makes me think that with not call, the game gets really ugly really fast. I don't believe in Karma and both teams got away with some calls but it was pretty clear Vegas benefited from the officiating more than San Jose over the course of those seven games. And lastly no call fixes a game. You still have to play on the ice. Don't fail to capitalize on great scoring chances. Don't let a fourth line centre who didn't play much beat you in OT. Bounces and calls come and go, just don't allow four goals in less than five minutes and you win the game Golden Knights. It's not asking a lot. Agree with the above. I think the crosschecking rules are more intended for those hits from behind along the boards and not what we saw last night. The injury happened more as a result of Stastny's interference/slew foot than the cross check as well. Whatever though, Karma's a bitch. Vegas is a garbage team when it comes to dirty play. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2019 14:28:03 GMT -8
Going into Game 7 the Sharks were 4 for 25 on the power play. They were 0 for 4 before the 5 minute major. So Vegas gave up 4 power play goals in 4 minutes to a team that at that point was 4 for 29 on the power play in the series. I can see an argument for and against the major penalty. Pavelski hitting his head on the ice was a result of the cross-check causing him to fall backwards and then Stastny shoved him down resulting in a significant injury which would warrant 5 minutes. That being said, Pavelski's injury was more from Stastny's shoving him to the ground while off balance than the cross-check. The anti major crowd is claiming that Stasny couldn't have done anything. I call horseshit but am done arguing with them. My not-so hot take on the major penalty. Eakin gets 2 for the cross check. Stasny gets 5 and game for interference causing an injury (when he pushed pavelski’s chest back and down after the initial contact). TRO |
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Post by mk391419 on Apr 24, 2019 14:32:12 GMT -8
If it's San Jose's fault for allowing a goal on that joke of a GI "penalty" in game 2, it's Vegas' fault for allowing 4 on that major. You can't have it two ways. The picture in the post above says alot as well. Agree. I’m really curious about how/why Pavs is bleeding so much from inside the protected area of his helmet. I understand that a hard “contact” injury can break skin and that scalp injuries bleed a lot...but I can’t remember seeing someone bleed out of their helmet like that. I wish they’d give an update on his condition...sincerely concerned for his health. I assume a concussion at the minimum. Busted eardrum(s)? That was my first thought with where the blood seemed to be coming from. I don't remember where I heard this last night, but someone mentioned something about seizure-like symptoms as they were trying to get him off the ice. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Apr 24, 2019 14:47:53 GMT -8
Agree. I’m really curious about how/why Pavs is bleeding so much from inside the protected area of his helmet. I understand that a hard “contact” injury can break skin and that scalp injuries bleed a lot...but I can’t remember seeing someone bleed out of their helmet like that. I wish they’d give an update on his condition...sincerely concerned for his health. I assume a concussion at the minimum. Busted eardrum(s)? That was my first thought with where the blood seemed to be coming from. I don't remember where I heard this last night, but someone mentioned something about seizure-like symptoms as they were trying to get him off the ice. Couture mentioned something about him seizuring a bit. |
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Post by d5shark on Apr 24, 2019 14:48:00 GMT -8
I think Kevin LeBanc is the proud NHL record holder of most points (4 points - 1G/3A) on a single PP.
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Post by sjsharks59 on Apr 24, 2019 15:08:55 GMT -8
Good read, Vegas did it to themselves |
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Post by tastyshakes on Apr 24, 2019 15:25:00 GMT -8
Busted eardrum(s)? That was my first thought with where the blood seemed to be coming from. I don't remember where I heard this last night, but someone mentioned something about seizure-like symptoms as they were trying to get him off the ice. Couture mentioned something about him seizuring a bit. SPORTS Sharks' Pavelski takes scary fall after Eakin hit Wednesday, April 24th, 2019 12:12AM San Jose Sharks captain Joe Pavelski had to be helped off the ice in the third period of Tuesday's Game 7 against the Vegas Golden Knights after his head hit the ice after he was cross-checked by Cody Eakinduring a faceoff. Eakin was given a five-minute major and a 10-minute game misconduct. The incident happened at the 10:47 mark in the third. On a faceoff in San Jose's offensive zone, Eakin cross-checked Pavelski in the chest.Paul Stastny then hit Pavelski as he fell to the ice, with his helmet slamming down. Pavelski appeared to be knocked out, and blood poured out of his mouth, which was injured after he took a puck to the face while scoring a goal in Game 1. "You see our leader go down, he's out cold on the ice and it was kind of like he was seizuring up a little bit so tough to see," teammate Logan Couture said. abc7news.com/sports/sharks-pavelski-leaves-after-hard-hit-by-eakin/5267627/ |
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Post by redbeard on Apr 24, 2019 15:25:14 GMT -8
100% of VGK fans would've wanted a five and a game if that happened to Mark Stone instead of Joe Pavelski. It was a half penalty on both Eakin (crosschecking) and Stastny (interference). Put together and you get one penalty. That's not how it works but any way you cut it you end up with two Knights knocking Pavelski onto his head, causing severe injury. Unless I've read the rulebook wrong the refs cannot call a two minute penalty there. It's either nothing or it's five and a game because Pavelski is clearly injured from the play. The other part as someone mentioned is temperature control, which is quite valid. If they let one team's captained get knocked, bloodied, and carried off without any penalty called, with how this series has gone, you're rolling the dice with what happens next. You all know I'd be calling for blood. For as much as we criticize the Sharks in that aspect of the game the way the responded on the power play makes me think that with not call, the game gets really ugly really fast. I don't believe in Karma and both teams got away with some calls but it was pretty clear Vegas benefited from the officiating more than San Jose over the course of those seven games. And lastly no call fixes a game. You still have to play on the ice. Don't fail to capitalize on great scoring chances. Don't let a fourth line centre who didn't play much beat you in OT. Bounces and calls come and go, just don't allow four goals in less than five minutes and you win the game Golden Knights. It's not asking a lot. Yep! Can you imagine Gallant had the roles been flipped and it was his guy getting his skull busted open? He would've lost his shit for sure! And if there were only 2 minutes given or, heaven forbid, no call made? His head would've exploded right there on the bench! |
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Post by clarkro2 on Apr 24, 2019 15:35:32 GMT -8
Not sure if you've all seen this one. No knights and No kings. Great game. Looks like you all moved over here since the other board was down.
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Post by Marbles on Apr 24, 2019 15:39:21 GMT -8
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Post by Marbles on Apr 24, 2019 15:40:37 GMT -8
The anti major crowd is claiming that Stasny couldn't have done anything. I call horseshit but am done arguing with them. My not-so hot take on the major penalty. Eakin gets 2 for the cross check. Stasny gets 5 and game for interference causing an injury (when he pushed pavelski’s chest back and down after the initial contact). TRO Agree. Stasny is the real culprit. Eakin got hit because he looked like the guy most in position to throw a slew foot and the refs need to make a snap call. |
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 24, 2019 15:45:43 GMT -8
Not sure if you've all seen this one. No knights and No kings. Great game. Looks like you all moved over here since the other board was down. Welcome to the new message board |
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 24, 2019 15:46:31 GMT -8
100% of VGK fans would've wanted a five and a game if that happened to Mark Stone instead of Joe Pavelski. It was a half penalty on both Eakin (crosschecking) and Stastny (interference). Put together and you get one penalty. That's not how it works but any way you cut it you end up with two Knights knocking Pavelski onto his head, causing severe injury. Unless I've read the rulebook wrong the refs cannot call a two minute penalty there. It's either nothing or it's five and a game because Pavelski is clearly injured from the play. The other part as someone mentioned is temperature control, which is quite valid. If they let one team's captained get knocked, bloodied, and carried off without any penalty called, with how this series has gone, you're rolling the dice with what happens next. You all know I'd be calling for blood. For as much as we criticize the Sharks in that aspect of the game the way the responded on the power play makes me think that with not call, the game gets really ugly really fast. I don't believe in Karma and both teams got away with some calls but it was pretty clear Vegas benefited from the officiating more than San Jose over the course of those seven games. And lastly no call fixes a game. You still have to play on the ice. Don't fail to capitalize on great scoring chances. Don't let a fourth line centre who didn't play much beat you in OT. Bounces and calls come and go, just don't allow four goals in less than five minutes and you win the game Golden Knights. It's not asking a lot. Yep! Can you imagine Gallant had the roles been flipped and it was his guy getting his skull busted open? He would've lost his shit for sure! And if there were only 2 minutes given or, heaven forbid, no call made? His head would've exploded right there on the bench! Now I wish I could have seen Gallant lose it. |
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Post by clarkro2 on Apr 24, 2019 15:53:02 GMT -8
Thanks Fugazi. I have this site bookmarked now. No need to go back to the other board since everyone is here.
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