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Post by Marbles on May 25, 2019 9:03:06 GMT -8
I think the 2 big offensive back end guys actually cannibalized their own production. I'd say you want to have at least 2 other puck movers back there but they don't need to be world class goal scorers. Mainly we need to figure out two solid back lines for the PP (preferably not by skating 4 forwards on both units) and ideally have 3 pairs that can all fuel transition or decent neutral zone play which is always the trademark of sharks faceplants in May (the lack of - that is). It definitely took a while for Burns and Karlsson to get used to each other and for Karlsson and the team to get used to how they played but they don't need another stay-at-home, inept offensively, defenseman. The drop off from Burns to the next guy, would be Vlasic, is too steep. Before Karlsson teams just keyed on Burns and it hurt. We saw against Vegas first time around. Without Karlsson, I'm not sure they get past them this time. Unless DeBoer goes and the formula changes, the team is too dependent on offense from the blueline. They don't need Karlsson but I think they need a guy who's more bent toward putting the puck in the net than the current collection they have after Burns. Much easier said than done but at least they have a couple guys in the system who fit that mold; Roy, Merkley, and Ferraro. To me the biggest piece is someone that can drive attacks. I agree they can't go for a strict blockhead stay at home guy. I'd prefer honestly 2 guys that could actually spark a break out (in addition to Burns). I think I'd value that over goal scoring as the forward core should be plenty able to take advantage and pot goals. I'm looking more for the QB type guy than a point sniper. EK65 largely filled this role and I think that was his greatest strength while he was a shark. But he's going to get paid for all of that plus 20 goals a year. In reality we should be able to find a D man to fill that puck moving position maybe with an assist count but low goal count for closer the the 6 million we could potentially spend there. Otherwise I think Heed gets a shot on line 4 with Dillon. Guy can laser them in. I figure Merkley is a non factor for at least 1 more season and likely 2. If he surprises me that really helps. |
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Post by cjelli on May 25, 2019 11:35:14 GMT -8
I am hearing Jason Zucker is available.
Give them both Karlssons and Labanc for Zucker and Dumba.
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Post by Fugazi on May 25, 2019 12:14:54 GMT -8
6. It was clear at San Jose’s season-ending media conferences the deep respect GM Doug Wilson and coach Peter DeBoer have for Joe Pavelski. The captain said all the right things at his availability: “I’m pretty confident,” and “I’ve got a pretty strong belief system that I’ll be here.” What’s created doubt is that there appears to be little or no negotiations to this point. Historically, the Sharks don’t let things get this close. Logan Couture, Martin Jones and Marc-Edouard Vlasic all signed one year early. Brent Burns was extended seven months before freedom. Joe Thornton is a different story, since he’s been flexible, needs time, and will only play there.
The one exception in recent years was Patrick Marleau, with the Sharks deciding to pass when Toronto offered a third year. He was turning 38 when that occurred, three years older than Pavelski is now. I’ve asked around, and most teams expect Pavelski to stay, simply because that’s what they think he wants and Wilson makes things work when he wants them to. Because of what happened with Marleau, anyone who wants to snare Pavelski knows term will be what it takes.
7. Logically, Erik Karlsson’s future affected Pavelski. Wilson is a vault when it comes to contract talks, but word is San Jose kept hope they could extend the defenceman. Karlsson made it clear he’s curious about the process, which could force the Sharks to change priorities. It is widely believed he’d like to see if Tampa Bay can make it work. Last summer, then-GM Steve Yzerman pursued John Tavares even though that looked impossible. Is there any reason Julien BriseBois would think differently?
8. In addition to the injuries, thought the Sharks’ veterans — so good in the first 16 games — ran out of steam. It will up to their younger core to continue to grow. Curious to see if Dylan Gambrell, who scored in Game 6, gets more of an opportunity. There was an occasion at NCAA Denver where then-coach Jim Montgomery showed one of Gambrell’s goals, saying, “That release is why he’ll be in the NHL.”
9. Kelly Hrudey saw something interesting with Martin Jones. In two similar plays vs Vegas and Colorado, he was three feet apart in goal. Against the Golden Knights, he was 7.4 feet out. Against the Avalanche, it was 4.2.
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Post by Fugazi on May 25, 2019 12:17:53 GMT -8
I am hearing Jason Zucker is available. Give them both Karlssons and Labanc for Zucker and Dumba. 2. You know who else can’t be thrilled? Jason Zucker. That’s twice (Calgary at the deadline) he’s been sent somewhere, only to have it aborted. Someone is going to get a very motivated player. He must want to strangle someone. |
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Post by Fugazi on May 25, 2019 12:32:23 GMT -8
19. Didn’t know this before the Western Conference Final, but a couple weeks before the 2007 draft, Florida held a private skate for Logan Couture. Legend has it that the Panthers made it clear the OHL Ottawa centre would be their pick if still available at their 10th position. The Sharks found out about it and traded up twice. Their first move was with Toronto (Vesa Toskala), but they realized 13 — where they got to — wouldn’t be good enough. So, they flipped that selection (adding a second and a third) with the Blues to get to No. 9, one spot before Florida. Couture finished the playoffs with 14 goals. That’s been beaten just 21 times.
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Post by Marbles on May 25, 2019 13:37:59 GMT -8
19. Didn’t know this before the Western Conference Final, but a couple weeks before the 2007 draft, Florida held a private skate for Logan Couture. Legend has it that the Panthers made it clear the OHL Ottawa centre would be their pick if still available at their 10th position. The Sharks found out about it and traded up twice. Their first move was with Toronto (Vesa Toskala), but they realized 13 — where they got to — wouldn’t be good enough. So, they flipped that selection (adding a second and a third) with the Blues to get to No. 9, one spot before Florida. Couture finished the playoffs with 14 goals. That’s been beaten just 21 times. Suck it, Miami. |
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Post by LordNelson on May 26, 2019 13:32:23 GMT -8
I guess DW is being polite/respectful by waiting till SC Finals are over, but definitely goaltender coach Johan Hedberg needs to be let go. Both his charges (Jones & Dell) had extremely sub-par seasons and fresh air needs to be pumped into that goaltending situation sine we're anchored to Jones for the foreseeable future. Nabokov as goalie coach? Allowing Hedberg to remain into next season would be a sure sign of management indifference to improving.
Also remember how fucked up the defense was Oct/Nov/Dec when Vlasic had his breakdown and Karlsson couldn't find a comfortable pairing? blueline got instantly better when DeBoer moved Rob Zettler off the bench and to a bullshit 'eye-in-the-sky' coaching position way up in the press box. Steve Spott and Dave Barr are enough ACs. So I'd easily expect Rob Zettler to be let go this summer as well.
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Post by cjelli on May 26, 2019 13:44:51 GMT -8
I guess DW is being polite/respectful by waiting till SC Finals are over, but definitely goaltender coach Johan Hedberg needs to be let go. Both his charges (Jones & Dell) had extremely sub-par seasons and fresh air needs to be pumped into that goaltending situation sine we're anchored to Jones for the foreseeable future. Nabokov as goalie coach? Allowing Hedberg to remain into next season would be a sure sign of management indifference to improving. Also remember how fucked up the defense was Oct/Nov/Dec when Vlasic had his breakdown and Karlsson couldn't find a comfortable pairing? blueline got instantly better when DeBoer moved Rob Zettler off the bench and to a bullshit 'eye-in-the-sky' coaching position way up in the press box. Steve Spott and Dave Barr are enough ACs. So I'd easily expect Rob Zettler to be let go this summer as well. How about we hire the Finland national team goaltending coach? |
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Post by Marbles on May 26, 2019 13:46:26 GMT -8
I guess DW is being polite/respectful by waiting till SC Finals are over, but definitely goaltender coach Johan Hedberg needs to be let go. Both his charges (Jones & Dell) had extremely sub-par seasons and fresh air needs to be pumped into that goaltending situation sine we're anchored to Jones for the foreseeable future. Nabokov as goalie coach? Allowing Hedberg to remain into next season would be a sure sign of management indifference to improving. Also remember how fucked up the defense was Oct/Nov/Dec when Vlasic had his breakdown and Karlsson couldn't find a comfortable pairing? blueline got instantly better when DeBoer moved Rob Zettler off the bench and to a bullshit 'eye-in-the-sky' coaching position way up in the press box. Steve Spott and Dave Barr are enough ACs. So I'd easily expect Rob Zettler to be let go this summer as well. If they move Zettler they need to pull in a PP specialist/coach. Seems this is a solid type to keep in Drew Remenda's shoe closet and just draw up a few varying strategies so we don't go into the 12% range when it matters most. I'd agree Spot seemed to right the D ship so you are likely ok with the actual bench guys. |
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Post by LordNelson on May 26, 2019 13:59:38 GMT -8
I guess DW is being polite/respectful by waiting till SC Finals are over, but definitely goaltender coach Johan Hedberg needs to be let go. Both his charges (Jones & Dell) had extremely sub-par seasons and fresh air needs to be pumped into that goaltending situation sine we're anchored to Jones for the foreseeable future. Nabokov as goalie coach? Allowing Hedberg to remain into next season would be a sure sign of management indifference to improving. Also remember how fucked up the defense was Oct/Nov/Dec when Vlasic had his breakdown and Karlsson couldn't find a comfortable pairing? blueline got instantly better when DeBoer moved Rob Zettler off the bench and to a bullshit 'eye-in-the-sky' coaching position way up in the press box. Steve Spott and Dave Barr are enough ACs. So I'd easily expect Rob Zettler to be let go this summer as well. How about we hire the Finland national team goaltending coach? Kari Lehtonen? I'd almost consider him for the backup role next season; to light fire under Jones. He's 35 now but has that .912 lifetime in the show which is nice. 6'4" is my kind of goalie. If it's new and fresh for the shark crease, I'm open to anything.. |
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Post by Fugazi on May 26, 2019 14:09:29 GMT -8
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Post by LordNelson on May 26, 2019 14:11:15 GMT -8
I guess DW is being polite/respectful by waiting till SC Finals are over, but definitely goaltender coach Johan Hedberg needs to be let go. Both his charges (Jones & Dell) had extremely sub-par seasons and fresh air needs to be pumped into that goaltending situation sine we're anchored to Jones for the foreseeable future. Nabokov as goalie coach? Allowing Hedberg to remain into next season would be a sure sign of management indifference to improving. Also remember how fucked up the defense was Oct/Nov/Dec when Vlasic had his breakdown and Karlsson couldn't find a comfortable pairing? blueline got instantly better when DeBoer moved Rob Zettler off the bench and to a bullshit 'eye-in-the-sky' coaching position way up in the press box. Steve Spott and Dave Barr are enough ACs. So I'd easily expect Rob Zettler to be let go this summer as well. If they move Zettler they need to pull in a PP specialist/coach. Seems this is a solid type to keep in Drew Remenda's shoe closet and just draw up a few varying strategies so we don't go into the 12% range when it matters most. I'd agree Spot seemed to right the D ship so you are likely ok with the actual bench guys. Remember the sharks video coach deserves a big raise this summer for catching Landeskog offside. |
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Post by Fugazi on May 28, 2019 12:35:15 GMT -8
FIRE DOUGIE
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Post by cjelli on May 28, 2019 13:17:41 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on May 28, 2019 13:26:15 GMT -8
Nothing, just putting in my two cents |
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Post by danvilleshark on May 28, 2019 13:47:52 GMT -8
Fugazi is channeling all angry sharks fans. Please continue. |
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Post by Fugazi on May 28, 2019 14:16:42 GMT -8
Fugazi is channeling all angry sharks fans. Please continue.  |
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Post by sjsharks59 on May 28, 2019 15:13:16 GMT -8
How about we hire the Finland national team goaltending coach? Kari Lehtonen? I'd almost consider him for the backup role next season; to light fire under Jones. He's 35 now but has that .912 lifetime in the show which is nice. 6'4" is my kind of goalie. If it's new and fresh for the shark crease, I'm open to anything.. I'm open to a goalie who can stop a high shot over his glove hand or blocker  |
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Post by Badger on May 28, 2019 15:24:39 GMT -8
Kari Lehtonen? I'd almost consider him for the backup role next season; to light fire under Jones. He's 35 now but has that .912 lifetime in the show which is nice. 6'4" is my kind of goalie. If it's new and fresh for the shark crease, I'm open to anything.. I'm open to a goalie who can stop a high shot over his glove hand or blocker Ya, the Sharks certainly don’t have one of those on their roster. |
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Post by jackalope on May 28, 2019 18:23:49 GMT -8
I wonder what kinda deal bobby lou would take if he doesnt retire.
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Post by cjelli on May 28, 2019 18:42:54 GMT -8
I wonder what kinda deal bobby lou would take if he doesnt retire. Bobby Lou is signed with M-NTC through 2021/22. His cap hit for the Panthers is $4.5M. |
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Post by jackalope on May 28, 2019 18:50:09 GMT -8
I wonder what kinda deal bobby lou would take if he doesnt retire. Bobby Lou is signed with M-NTC through 2021/22. His cap hit for the Panthers is $4.5M. Jesus... i just looked, for some reason i thought i heard rumors about him moving on. Didn't know he was signed that long and at that price. |
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Post by clarkro2 on May 29, 2019 7:40:23 GMT -8
Bob Boughner is back as assistant head coach
Assistant coach Rob Zettler, who replaced Boughner on the Sharks coaching staff in 2017, will not be returning to the Sharks.
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Post by sjsharks59 on May 29, 2019 7:48:32 GMT -8
I am hearing Jason Zucker is available. Give them both Karlssons and Labanc for Zucker and Dumba. I read where Zucker has a 10 team NMC in his contact. Wonder if the SJ Softies are on the list |
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Post by cjelli on May 29, 2019 8:05:06 GMT -8
Bob Boughner is back as assistant head coach Assistant coach Rob Zettler, who replaced Boughner on the Sharks coaching staff in 2017, will not be returning to the Sharks. This has been the best news of post-season so far. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on May 29, 2019 8:13:26 GMT -8
Bob Boughner is back as assistant head coach Assistant coach Rob Zettler, who replaced Boughner on the Sharks coaching staff in 2017, will not be returning to the Sharks. Since Spott was in charge of the D and the power play here's hoping he follows Zettler out the door. |
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Post by wallyshark on May 29, 2019 8:29:46 GMT -8
Admittedly I don't know much about contracts and term of said contract. With that being said could DW do a sign and trade with EK65 assuming he's gone anyway? If he found a willing partner let's say Tampa, that way EK65 gets 8 years and Tampa frees up cap space and the Sharks would get a good return.
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Post by sharkhaywood on May 29, 2019 8:36:00 GMT -8
Admittedly I don't know much about contracts and term of said contract. With that being said could DW do a sign and trade with EK65 assuming he's gone anyway? If he found a willing partner let's say Tampa, that way EK65 gets 8 years and Tampa frees up cap space and the Sharks would get a good return. I am not sure if the CBA allows for that to happen. |
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Post by cjelli on May 29, 2019 9:18:55 GMT -8
Admittedly I don't know much about contracts and term of said contract. With that being said could DW do a sign and trade with EK65 assuming he's gone anyway? If he found a willing partner let's say Tampa, that way EK65 gets 8 years and Tampa frees up cap space and the Sharks would get a good return. He doesn't need to sign and trade. Just trade. But Tampa won't trade Brayden Point or Steven Stamkos, and otherwise they don't have the space, or the return pieces aren't worth it. |
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Post by Fugazi on May 29, 2019 9:40:47 GMT -8
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