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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 18, 2019 12:10:39 GMT -8
Donkey can hit the road. He is not a good fit on an already soft team. Same for Melker. yea, I see Donskoi signing July 1st with a new club for a big raise contract and the Sharks will be fine with that. that's $2m more in Cap space lifted. Just a hunch, but I see Donkey making a good fit with Colorado. Sharks now need something different. Something with bigger shoulders. Donkey is not a good fit for Donkey. They also need to become tougher. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 18, 2019 12:39:47 GMT -8
oh and btw:
With the St. Louis Blues defeating the Boston Bruins in the 2019 Stanley Cup Finals, Larry Robinson won his tenth Stanley Cup championship
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Post by redbeard on Jun 18, 2019 12:39:55 GMT -8
Justin Braun traded to Flyers this morning for draft picks. DW has a plan. Dougie always has a plan... ...doesn't mean it's a good plan. So far, he's O-fer-Stanley Cups...I don't expect that to change in 2020. We'll see I guess. Long way to go... |
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Post by 3rdlinehack on Jun 18, 2019 12:42:33 GMT -8
yea, I see Donskoi signing July 1st with a new club for a big raise contract and the Sharks will be fine with that. that's $2m more in Cap space lifted. Just a hunch, but I see Donkey making a good fit with Colorado. Sharks now need something different. Something with bigger shoulders. Donkey is not a good fit for Donkey. They also need to become tougher. he's a friend of the wife's family in finland...looks like i'll soon have a black armour jersey with a name no longer here |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 18, 2019 12:55:39 GMT -8
Donkey is not a good fit for Donkey. They also need to become tougher. he's a friend of the wife's family in finland...looks like i'll soon have a black armour jersey with a name no longer here The league knows they can knock him off the puck and off his skates. You just cant play him vs many teams. Too bad because he does have skill. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 18, 2019 13:12:34 GMT -8
he's a friend of the wife's family in finland...looks like i'll soon have a black armour jersey with a name no longer here The league knows they can knock him off the puck and off his skates. You just cant play him vs many teams. Too bad because he does have skill. Might end up in the Flames or the Capitals that have some cadre to protect him. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Jun 18, 2019 14:14:11 GMT -8
Donkey can hit the road. He is not a good fit on an already soft team. Same for Melker. yea, I see Donskoi signing July 1st with a new club for a big raise contract and the Sharks will be fine with that. that's $2m more in Cap space lifted. Just a hunch, but I see Donkey making a good fit with Colorado. Sharks now need something different. Something with bigger shoulders. The Sharks need a goalie...none of these other moves matter at all if your goalies save % is .896 |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 14:24:12 GMT -8
yea, I see Donskoi signing July 1st with a new club for a big raise contract and the Sharks will be fine with that. that's $2m more in Cap space lifted. Just a hunch, but I see Donkey making a good fit with Colorado. Sharks now need something different. Something with bigger shoulders. The Sharks need a goalie...none of these other moves matter at all if your goalies save % is .896 From Larry Brooks at the NY Post: The Sharks are in the midst of one of the longer runs as one of the league’s upper-echelon teams not to win a Stanley Cup. Emile’s Rangers had about seven years, the French Connection Sabres had about the same number of kicks at the can, the Predators of recent vintage less than a half-decade, but the Sharks, well, they have come up empty every time since Joe Thornton became their centerpiece during the 2005-06 season. And following their conference finals elimination by the Blues in six games, the Sharks are going all-in again as evidenced by Monday’s re-signing of pending free agent Erik Karlsson to a stunning eight-year, $88 million contract. Damn the long-term consequences, San Jose is going Bay Area Big Three on the back end with Karlsson, Norris finalist Brent Burns and Marc-Eduard Vlasic. Loaded on the back, talented enough up front even as it appears there isn’t going to be enough room under the cap to re-up pending free-agent center (and captain) Joe Pavelski, the Sharks would seem to have one problem area. That’s in net, where the club received substandard work from Martin Jones most of the season and intermittently in the tournament. And so, with San Jose GM Doug Wilson doing whatever he can to keep the window open a year after trading for Karlsson, I wonder if he might take the next logical step and attempt to shore up his goaltending. I wonder, in fact, whether Wilson might make the call to the Rangers to inquire about Henrik Lundqvist. Understand: The Rangers are not attempting to nudge Lundqvist aside. This is not a message being sent from Manhattan to Gothenburg, Sweden, by way of The Post. Management is not about to ask the face of the franchise to waive his no-move clause. Lundqvist has made it clear that he wants to lead the Blueshirts back to the playoffs. There is no wobbling on those fronts from either the front office or the goaltender. But what if a serious Cup contender were to come after him? What if Wilson were permitted to make a pitch? Lundqvist’s sister lives in the Bay Area. And, of course, his good friend Karlsson would be on hand to help with the transition. And he’d be playing behind a defense that, for the first time since 2011-12, would help shield him. The best-case scenario, Kaapo Kakko is ready and contributes on Broadway, the same for Vitali Kravtsov and for Adam Fox. Filip Chytil takes a substantial leap forward, the same for Lias Andersson, and Libor Hajek carves out a spot on the blue line. Lundqvist, teaming with Alexandar Georgiev and/or Igor Shesterkin, plays as well all season as he did the first three-plus months of 2018-19. And the Rangers hang in the playoff race into at least March. But there is a flip side. Kakko isn’t quite ready and spends some time serving an apprenticeship in Hartford, and the same for Kravtsov and Fox. Chtyil and Andersson don’t make quantum leaps. Hajek needs more work in the AHL. (Wonder why it is so critical for the Rangers to hire the right coach for the Wolf Pack?) The Rangers are buried by January and there is less and less reason to give Lundqvist games instead of turning it over almost entirely to the two kids. Deadline trades of big-time goaltenders don’t work. There is not enough time to adjust. It is difficult enough for a star forward to make a trade-deadline transition after spending a lifetime with one team. It would be essentially impossible for a goaltender; essentially impossible for the 37-year-old Lundqvist. As such, if the Sharks want to make a run at Lundqvist, the time would be now. San Jose has already traded its first-rounders for 2019 (Evander Kane) and 2020 (Karlsson), so Wilson would likely be shy about sacrificing his first in 2021. But with the Rangers retaining half the salary and cap hit ($4.25 million per), perhaps San Jose could be persuaded to part with Ryan Merkley, the Peterborough righty defenseman whom Wilson selected 21st overall last June. Ideally, the Sharks would have Jones in support of Lundqvist, who probably would get somewhere around 50 starts, and wheel current backup Aaron Dell. But Wilson could explore moving Jones and his $5.75 million cap hit that runs through 2023-24 to free space. Again, this is an exercise in hypotheticals. The Rangers are not pushing this. So far, neither are the Sharks. Even if Wilson inquires, Lundqvist might very well decline. Still, I wonder |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 14:36:24 GMT -8
Congrats George Kingston
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 14:40:55 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 14:45:09 GMT -8
Here we go, Discuss
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jun 18, 2019 14:45:35 GMT -8
The Sharks need a goalie...none of these other moves matter at all if your goalies save % is .896 From Larry Brooks at the NY Post: The Sharks are in the midst of one of the longer runs as one of the league’s upper-echelon teams not to win a Stanley Cup. Emile’s Rangers had about seven years, the French Connection Sabres had about the same number of kicks at the can, the Predators of recent vintage less than a half-decade, but the Sharks, well, they have come up empty every time since Joe Thornton became their centerpiece during the 2005-06 season. And following their conference finals elimination by the Blues in six games, the Sharks are going all-in again as evidenced by Monday’s re-signing of pending free agent Erik Karlsson to a stunning eight-year, $88 million contract. Damn the long-term consequences, San Jose is going Bay Area Big Three on the back end with Karlsson, Norris finalist Brent Burns and Marc-Eduard Vlasic. Loaded on the back, talented enough up front even as it appears there isn’t going to be enough room under the cap to re-up pending free-agent center (and captain) Joe Pavelski, the Sharks would seem to have one problem area. That’s in net, where the club received substandard work from Martin Jones most of the season and intermittently in the tournament. And so, with San Jose GM Doug Wilson doing whatever he can to keep the window open a year after trading for Karlsson, I wonder if he might take the next logical step and attempt to shore up his goaltending. I wonder, in fact, whether Wilson might make the call to the Rangers to inquire about Henrik Lundqvist. Understand: The Rangers are not attempting to nudge Lundqvist aside. This is not a message being sent from Manhattan to Gothenburg, Sweden, by way of The Post. Management is not about to ask the face of the franchise to waive his no-move clause. Lundqvist has made it clear that he wants to lead the Blueshirts back to the playoffs. There is no wobbling on those fronts from either the front office or the goaltender. But what if a serious Cup contender were to come after him? What if Wilson were permitted to make a pitch? Lundqvist’s sister lives in the Bay Area. And, of course, his good friend Karlsson would be on hand to help with the transition. And he’d be playing behind a defense that, for the first time since 2011-12, would help shield him. The best-case scenario, Kaapo Kakko is ready and contributes on Broadway, the same for Vitali Kravtsov and for Adam Fox. Filip Chytil takes a substantial leap forward, the same for Lias Andersson, and Libor Hajek carves out a spot on the blue line. Lundqvist, teaming with Alexandar Georgiev and/or Igor Shesterkin, plays as well all season as he did the first three-plus months of 2018-19. And the Rangers hang in the playoff race into at least March. But there is a flip side. Kakko isn’t quite ready and spends some time serving an apprenticeship in Hartford, and the same for Kravtsov and Fox. Chtyil and Andersson don’t make quantum leaps. Hajek needs more work in the AHL. (Wonder why it is so critical for the Rangers to hire the right coach for the Wolf Pack?) The Rangers are buried by January and there is less and less reason to give Lundqvist games instead of turning it over almost entirely to the two kids. Deadline trades of big-time goaltenders don’t work. There is not enough time to adjust. It is difficult enough for a star forward to make a trade-deadline transition after spending a lifetime with one team. It would be essentially impossible for a goaltender; essentially impossible for the 37-year-old Lundqvist. As such, if the Sharks want to make a run at Lundqvist, the time would be now. San Jose has already traded its first-rounders for 2019 (Evander Kane) and 2020 (Karlsson), so Wilson would likely be shy about sacrificing his first in 2021. But with the Rangers retaining half the salary and cap hit ($4.25 million per), perhaps San Jose could be persuaded to part with Ryan Merkley, the Peterborough righty defenseman whom Wilson selected 21st overall last June. Ideally, the Sharks would have Jones in support of Lundqvist, who probably would get somewhere around 50 starts, and wheel current backup Aaron Dell. But Wilson could explore moving Jones and his $5.75 million cap hit that runs through 2023-24 to free space. Again, this is an exercise in hypotheticals. The Rangers are not pushing this. So far, neither are the Sharks. Even if Wilson inquires, Lundqvist might very well decline. Still, I wonder I read a rumor that the Sharks might be interested in dealing for BOB's Rights from Columbus... |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 14:45:44 GMT -8
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Post by oaklandshark on Jun 18, 2019 14:46:29 GMT -8
Can we please add some nasty and sandpaper (goc I miss drew)
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Post by cjelli on Jun 18, 2019 15:14:57 GMT -8
Bobr for Jones makes a lot of sense, except for the Sharks' cap situation. Bobr will demand $8M at least.
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 18, 2019 15:26:46 GMT -8
Bobr for Jones makes a lot of sense, except for the Sharks' cap situation. Bobr will demand $8M at least. Jones has a modified NMC. He can submit a list of 3 teams he is willing to go to. Given his play and cap hit I highly doubt anyone on his list would want him. |
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Post by Badger on Jun 18, 2019 15:36:14 GMT -8
I expect Jumbo is willing to sign for what ever is left over in cap room. He’s been willing to take less if needed (if Marleau re-signed) and took more when it became available. He was a good third line center and he is healthy again. |
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Post by John96 on Jun 18, 2019 15:58:09 GMT -8
Don't think the Sharks can move Jones and upgrade in net and I don't really think they have to. Young goalies can come in and win right away when the team in front of them is right. I know it wouldn't be the way they done it in the past but they've also been prone to following other teams before coming up with their own ideas so if Jones falters again they should hand the reigns to Korenar.
As much as they need physicality they can't sacrifice speed for it. Have to find guys who can play hard, play heavy, but not drag behind the flow of play. Guys like Tom Wilson, Josh Anderson, Micheal Ferland are the all-stars of that crowd and almost every depth forward on the Bruins and Blues fit that mold. They aren't many out there but the Sharks currently have zero. Need to fix that in order to go further. They barely got past Vegas and couldn't handle St. Louis so it ought to change but it can't change so much that they can't skate with Colorado either.
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Post by tastyshakes on Jun 18, 2019 16:11:42 GMT -8
That NY Post article is just silly.
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Post by Badger on Jun 18, 2019 16:15:04 GMT -8
Can we please add some nasty and sandpaper (goc I miss drew) Evander Kane needs to figure out playoff hockey. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 18, 2019 16:17:27 GMT -8
Don't think the Sharks can move Jones and upgrade in net and I don't really think they have to. Young goalies can come in and win right away when the team in front of them is right. I know it wouldn't be the way they done it in the past but they've also been prone to following other teams before coming up with their own ideas so if Jones falters again they should hand the reigns to Korenar. As much as they need physicality they can't sacrifice speed for it. Have to find guys who can play hard, play heavy, but not drag behind the flow of play. Guys like Tom Wilson, Josh Anderson, Micheal Ferland are the all-stars of that crowd and almost every depth forward on the Bruins and Blues fit that mold. They aren't many out there but the Sharks currently have zero. Need to fix that in order to go further. They barely got past Vegas and couldn't handle St. Louis so it ought to change but it can't change so much that they can't skate with Colorado either. Andrew Copp and Cedric Paquette are the top FA in that class, maybe the Sharks can get Zach Aston-Reese, too. |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 16:33:19 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 18, 2019 16:35:29 GMT -8
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Post by jackalope on Jun 18, 2019 17:25:45 GMT -8
Donkey can hit the road. He is not a good fit on an already soft team. Same for Melker. yea, I see Donskoi signing July 1st with a new club for a big raise contract and the Sharks will be fine with that. that's $2m more in Cap space lifted. Just a hunch, but I see Donkey making a good fit with Colorado. Sharks now need something different. Something with bigger shoulders. I see the Donkey as a risk to resign. Donkey of two seasons ago, no brainer... Donkey of last season, pump the brakes. |
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Post by John96 on Jun 18, 2019 17:28:22 GMT -8
Don't think the Sharks can move Jones and upgrade in net and I don't really think they have to. Young goalies can come in and win right away when the team in front of them is right. I know it wouldn't be the way they done it in the past but they've also been prone to following other teams before coming up with their own ideas so if Jones falters again they should hand the reigns to Korenar. As much as they need physicality they can't sacrifice speed for it. Have to find guys who can play hard, play heavy, but not drag behind the flow of play. Guys like Tom Wilson, Josh Anderson, Micheal Ferland are the all-stars of that crowd and almost every depth forward on the Bruins and Blues fit that mold. They aren't many out there but the Sharks currently have zero. Need to fix that in order to go further. They barely got past Vegas and couldn't handle St. Louis so it ought to change but it can't change so much that they can't skate with Colorado either. Andrew Copp and Cedric Paquette are the top FA in that class, maybe the Sharks can get Zach Aston-Reese, too. Probably but those guys are RFAs, I know those teams are stretched for cap so it wouldn't be hard to let them go but it probably isn't that hard to keep them either. I'd take either of them on the skill/grity factor but none of them have great size for the role they play. Both those guys are better options than what we saw in the playoffs but do any of them fare better up against the likes of Reaves, Carrier, McNabb, Barbashev, Sundqvist, Edmundson, and Bortuzzo? I don't think so. I think Wilson bringing back Haley meant something. They explicitly said the guys missed having a guy like him around. I don't think they need to bring him back but they could add a guy like him to the fold, someone like a Kurtis Gabriel, Luke Witkowski, Adam McQuaid, or Dalton Prout. Probably not a guy you want to use 82 times but good enough to fill in for 2/3 of the year on a top-heavy team. With Braun gone, I think a veteran guy with some size and brawn like McQuaid or Prout could be a fit and come cheap. More skilled-wise, up front Alex Chiasson could be another guy. He can get hot and put the puck in the net somewhat but he's got an edge to his game too. |
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Post by hllywd99 on Jun 18, 2019 17:56:26 GMT -8
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 18, 2019 17:59:33 GMT -8
The biggest concern for Jones is all of those early in the period goals allowed last season. It was not just a couple of times. You can’t win like that.
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Post by cjelli on Jun 18, 2019 18:11:59 GMT -8
Andrew Copp and Cedric Paquette are the top FA in that class, maybe the Sharks can get Zach Aston-Reese, too. Probably but those guys are RFAs, I know those teams are stretched for cap so it wouldn't be hard to let them go but it probably isn't that hard to keep them either. I'd take either of them on the skill/grity factor but none of them have great size for the role they play. Both those guys are better options than what we saw in the playoffs but do any of them fare better up against the likes of Reaves, Carrier, McNabb, Barbashev, Sundqvist, Edmundson, and Bortuzzo? I don't think so. I think Wilson bringing back Haley meant something. They explicitly said the guys missed having a guy like him around. I don't think they need to bring him back but they could add a guy like him to the fold, someone like a Kurtis Gabriel, Luke Witkowski, Adam McQuaid, or Dalton Prout. Probably not a guy you want to use 82 times but good enough to fill in for 2/3 of the year on a top-heavy team. With Braun gone, I think a veteran guy with some size and brawn like McQuaid or Prout could be a fit and come cheap. More skilled-wise, up front Alex Chiasson could be another guy. He can get hot and put the puck in the net somewhat but he's got an edge to his game too. I am not sure the Sharks need to seek a particular match for the Vegas and the St. Louis players you mentioned, let alone the fact that St. Louis is in a cap trouble as well, and Barbashev and Sundqvist might be under the referee radar next season, the latter one and Edmundson may even become FA. I agree that Kurtis Gabriel signed for minimum 2-way is an excellent upgrade over Micheal Haley, but there it ends, the hockey ability of his is very limited. I wouldn't mind McQuaid, but Prout is done hockey-wise. Deryk Engelland might be shed by Vegas, as well as Chris Thorburn and Pat Maroon by the Blues.
P-E. Bellemare may be another player the Sharks may consider to get as the 4C. I am not a big fan of Wayne Simmonds, but his last season, especially post-deadline, was a disaster, so maybe he won't command a significant price tag.
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Post by jackalope on Jun 18, 2019 18:56:15 GMT -8
Haley has 2 attributes (physical play, fighting) that are highly effective except: When the other team refuses to fight him (Reeves), and his physical play pretty much evaporated after his foot problem in the first round. I wouldn't mind seeing him on a two-way but hes probably looking for more stability (although being waived might have him hesitant to find another home).
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Post by Getzlaffedat on Jun 18, 2019 19:12:50 GMT -8
Post buyout Marleau is coming back to play 3rd line with Jumbo. And it’s gonna be good.
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