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Post by mk391419 on Oct 25, 2019 17:24:33 GMT -8
killer instinct, whats that Unfortunately not a characteristic of this team. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 25, 2019 17:27:12 GMT -8
Just crap from Labanc and Karlsson there. Actually whole team apart from Jones and a few others were hot garbage tonight. Don't care about back-to-backs, that was a garbage game.
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 25, 2019 17:31:42 GMT -8
Hedi blaming Pete for overplaying guys last night.
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 25, 2019 17:35:09 GMT -8
4-6-1.
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Post by mk391419 on Oct 25, 2019 17:41:44 GMT -8
Hedi blaming Pete for overplaying guys last night. I am sure Tim Heed would have loved a few more minutes last night. |
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Post by oaklandshark on Oct 25, 2019 18:27:43 GMT -8
Damn
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Post by cjelli on Oct 25, 2019 19:32:41 GMT -8
That was really a no-show. Terrible.
That 1st goal was brutal. What kind of hockey intelligence was required just to kill the time?
Also, Matthews has a vulnerable shoulder, and should've been targeted repeatedly. He's not an ice dancer like McDavid.
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Post by cjelli on Oct 25, 2019 20:19:31 GMT -8
In general, the team needs a top-six winger and a 5-8 defensively responsible winger. Patty doesn't belong to the top lines, maybe in a protected mode 12-19-62 can do better together. They need a Marcus Johansson for 28+39 and a JG Pageau for 9+48. The fourth line 23-7-20 should be one of the best in the league, if not the best.
In general you should only sign contracts like EK 65 if you can count on your development system to fill the vacancies in the roster for $750K/year. The Sharks don't have that development system.
Melker + pick for a 5-8 that commands $3M should be doable. How to fill a hole next to 28+39 before the trade deadline, I don't know.
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Post by redbeard on Oct 26, 2019 8:45:21 GMT -8
Hedi blaming Pete for overplaying guys last night. ...Pete shortening the bench with a two goal lead in the third with a game tomorrow night? Get another #6 D suited up. Maybe a #5 as well... |
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Post by LordNelson on Oct 26, 2019 9:28:05 GMT -8
Jones again bad angle and no glove on game-winning goal same old fucking story. After 8 games, he's Mr. .893 again.
also can't get scored against with 3 seconds left in the 2nd. everyone is standing around thinking the periods over and jones doesn't come up with the save.
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 26, 2019 9:40:05 GMT -8
Hedi blaming Pete for overplaying guys last night. ...Pete shortening the bench with a two goal lead in the third with a game tomorrow night? Get another #6 D suited up. Maybe a #5 as well... That requires planning. |
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Post by LordNelson on Oct 26, 2019 9:46:25 GMT -8
In general, the team needs a top-six winger and a 5-8 defensively responsible winger. Patty doesn't belong to the top lines, maybe in a protected mode 12-19-62 can do better together. They need a Marcus Johansson for 28+39 and a JG Pageau for 9+48. The fourth line 23-7-20 should be one of the best in the league, if not the best. In general you should only sign contracts like EK 65 if you can count on your development system to fill the vacancies in the roster for $750K/year. The Sharks don't have that development system. Melker + pick for a 5-8 that commands $3M should be doable. How to fill a hole next to 28+39 before the trade deadline, I don't know. I'm with you that there are holes in the forward lines, and weak offense generated - but if you trade Melker, you're just going to get someting like Melker back. Still say consider moving Vlasic or Dillon to bring in impact for the forward lines. 65 & 88 are NHL #1 and #3 in total ice time thus far, one of them is on ice almost the entire game. DW & PDB need to re-consider how they use the #3, #4 Blueline slots - so they can improve the Sharks playoff chances. |
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Post by Marbles on Oct 26, 2019 9:51:58 GMT -8
Skipped this. Seems like an ok decision.
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Post by cjelli on Oct 26, 2019 9:56:39 GMT -8
In general, the team needs a top-six winger and a 5-8 defensively responsible winger. Patty doesn't belong to the top lines, maybe in a protected mode 12-19-62 can do better together. They need a Marcus Johansson for 28+39 and a JG Pageau for 9+48. The fourth line 23-7-20 should be one of the best in the league, if not the best. In general you should only sign contracts like EK 65 if you can count on your development system to fill the vacancies in the roster for $750K/year. The Sharks don't have that development system. Melker + pick for a 5-8 that commands $3M should be doable. How to fill a hole next to 28+39 before the trade deadline, I don't know. I'm with you that there are holes in the forward lines, and weak offense generated - but if you trade Melker, you're just going to get someting like Melker back. Still say consider moving Vlasic or Dillon to bring in impact for the forward lines. 65 & 88 are NHL #1 and #3 in total ice time thus far, one of them is on ice almost the entire game. DW & PDB need to re-consider how they use the #3, #4 Blueline slots - so they can improve the Sharks playoff chances. No, if you move Melker and toss in a pick you might be able to get a Pageau-like forward. Dillon is worth every penny, and Vlasic has a full NMC. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 26, 2019 10:36:25 GMT -8
Jones again bad angle and no glove on game-winning goal same old fucking story. After 8 games, he's Mr. .893 again. also can't get scored against with 3 seconds left in the 2nd. everyone is standing around thinking the periods over and jones doesn't come up with the save. In general I agree that Jones is the weakest point of this team but last night was not on him. He was perhaps the lone bright spot, that game could easily have been very ugly had the Maple Leafs been on their game. Thankfully they were not. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 26, 2019 11:20:50 GMT -8
In general, the team needs a top-six winger and a 5-8 defensively responsible winger. Patty doesn't belong to the top lines, maybe in a protected mode 12-19-62 can do better together. They need a Marcus Johansson for 28+39 and a JG Pageau for 9+48. The fourth line 23-7-20 should be one of the best in the league, if not the best. In general you should only sign contracts like EK 65 if you can count on your development system to fill the vacancies in the roster for $750K/year. The Sharks don't have that development system. Melker + pick for a 5-8 that commands $3M should be doable. How to fill a hole next to 28+39 before the trade deadline, I don't know. I have zero interest in any trades on offense. If it isn’t for a goalie or D’man I think its pissing into the wind. Yeah, they could improve the offense to get 3 goals a game...so they lose 4/5 to 3, instead of 4/5 to 1/2. Winning starts with defense. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 26, 2019 11:48:34 GMT -8
In general, the team needs a top-six winger and a 5-8 defensively responsible winger. Patty doesn't belong to the top lines, maybe in a protected mode 12-19-62 can do better together. They need a Marcus Johansson for 28+39 and a JG Pageau for 9+48. The fourth line 23-7-20 should be one of the best in the league, if not the best. In general you should only sign contracts like EK 65 if you can count on your development system to fill the vacancies in the roster for $750K/year. The Sharks don't have that development system. Melker + pick for a 5-8 that commands $3M should be doable. How to fill a hole next to 28+39 before the trade deadline, I don't know. I have zero interest in any trades on offense. If it isn’t for a goalie or D’man I think its pissing into the wind. Yeah, they could improve the offense to get 3 goals a game...so they lose 4/5 to 3, instead of 4/5 to 1/2. Winning starts with defense. Jones is fine. His SVP is deceiving. He's facing a much more dangerous set of shots, he saves about whole extra XG every game, he's in the top 1/3 of the goalies by that metric. Defence is missing Radim Simek, when it's back to 51-88, 44/4-65 and 4/44-38, then all D can play at least 12 minutes a game and hope to settle. Heed for 5 min/game is a joke.
The offense can't convert shit, and Thornton's line is a defensive liability as well.
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 26, 2019 12:35:36 GMT -8
I have zero interest in any trades on offense. If it isn’t for a goalie or D’man I think its pissing into the wind. Yeah, they could improve the offense to get 3 goals a game...so they lose 4/5 to 3, instead of 4/5 to 1/2. Winning starts with defense. Jones is fine. His SVP is deceiving. He's facing a much more dangerous set of shots, he saves about whole extra XG every game, he's in the top 1/3 of the goalies by that metric. Defence is missing Radim Simek, when it's back to 51-88, 44/4-65 and 4/44-38, then all D can play at least 12 minutes a game and hope to settle. Heed for 5 min/game is a joke.
The offense can't convert shit, and Thornton's line is a defensive liability as well.
Sorry, don’t agree about Jones. For every “extra XG every game” he saves, he also lets in a softy...wheres the stat on that? |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 26, 2019 12:41:48 GMT -8
The Sharks are currently scoring 2.64 goals a game and giving up 3.45 goals a game. Making up .81 goals a game by adding depth to the 3rd or 4th lines is a pipe dream...and even if you do that...your still 50/50 at best each night cause your D and goalie suck.
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Post by Marbles on Oct 26, 2019 13:08:25 GMT -8
I have zero interest in any trades on offense. If it isn’t for a goalie or D’man I think its pissing into the wind. Yeah, they could improve the offense to get 3 goals a game...so they lose 4/5 to 3, instead of 4/5 to 1/2. Winning starts with defense. Jones is fine. His SVP is deceiving. He's facing a much more dangerous set of shots, he saves about whole extra XG every game, he's in the top 1/3 of the goalies by that metric. Defence is missing Radim Simek, when it's back to 51-88, 44/4-65 and 4/44-38, then all D can play at least 12 minutes a game and hope to settle. Heed for 5 min/game is a joke.
The offense can't convert shit, and Thornton's line is a defensive liability as well.
I was just thinking - I wonder how Simek is doing? I was expecting him to be in by this point. Seems like it's been 9 months of surgery and recovery so far. We desperately need him to settle the D. And then I agree, the offense is still wildly out of place. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 26, 2019 13:08:45 GMT -8
Jones is fine. His SVP is deceiving. He's facing a much more dangerous set of shots, he saves about whole extra XG every game, he's in the top 1/3 of the goalies by that metric. Defence is missing Radim Simek, when it's back to 51-88, 44/4-65 and 4/44-38, then all D can play at least 12 minutes a game and hope to settle. Heed for 5 min/game is a joke.
The offense can't convert shit, and Thornton's line is a defensive liability as well.
Sorry, don’t agree about Jones. For every “extra XG every game” he saves, he also lets in a softy...wheres the stat on that? Softies are accounted for. Last game the Leafs produced 41 unblocked non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.457 goals. They scored 3. In previous Jones's game, the Sabres produced 36 non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.986 goals. The Sabres scored 4 - par. In the encounter against the Sabres before that the opponent was projected to score 5.27(!) goals on 52 attempts, but scored only 4.
The Sharks' defense (as a team) leaks shots from very dangerous places. I also think the lack of threat from the Sharks' offense increases the audacity of the other team. We can see that replacing Tim Heed with Radim Simek may be worth more than 0.3 goals, and replacing Melker with a proper mid-six forward may produce an additional 0.3.
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 26, 2019 14:03:06 GMT -8
Sorry, don’t agree about Jones. For every “extra XG every game” he saves, he also lets in a softy...wheres the stat on that? Softies are accounted for. Last game the Leafs produced 41 unblocked non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.457 goals. They scored 3. In previous Jones's game, the Sabres produced 36 non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.986 goals. The Sabres scored 4 - par. In the encounter against the Sabres before that the opponent was projected to score 5.27(!) goals on 52 attempts, but scored only 4.
The Sharks' defense (as a team) leaks shots from very dangerous places. I also think the lack of threat from the Sharks' offense increases the audacity of the other team. We can see that replacing Tim Heed with Radim Simek may be worth more than 0.3 goals, and replacing Melker with a proper mid-six forward may produce an additional 0.3.
If that happens, Sharks are still .21 under water... |
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Post by oaklandshark on Oct 26, 2019 14:16:14 GMT -8
We'll be ok once we get prout and simek back
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Post by cjelli on Oct 26, 2019 14:31:48 GMT -8
Softies are accounted for. Last game the Leafs produced 41 unblocked non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.457 goals. They scored 3. In previous Jones's game, the Sabres produced 36 non-EN shot attempts which projected to score 3.986 goals. The Sabres scored 4 - par. In the encounter against the Sabres before that the opponent was projected to score 5.27(!) goals on 52 attempts, but scored only 4.
The Sharks' defense (as a team) leaks shots from very dangerous places. I also think the lack of threat from the Sharks' offense increases the audacity of the other team. We can see that replacing Tim Heed with Radim Simek may be worth more than 0.3 goals, and replacing Melker with a proper mid-six forward may produce an additional 0.3.
If that happens, Sharks are still .21 under water... That's why I am saying they are still missing a top-line winger - Patty isn't good enough for that role. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 26, 2019 15:24:09 GMT -8
If that happens, Sharks are still .21 under water... That's why I am saying they are still missing a top-line winger - Patty isn't good enough for that role. Agree that PM is not the answer. I do think he makes them better then they were without him, especially for the price. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 26, 2019 16:45:47 GMT -8
I'm with you that there are holes in the forward lines, and weak offense generated - but if you trade Melker, you're just going to get someting like Melker back. Still say consider moving Vlasic or Dillon to bring in impact for the forward lines. 65 & 88 are NHL #1 and #3 in total ice time thus far, one of them is on ice almost the entire game. DW & PDB need to re-consider how they use the #3, #4 Blueline slots - so they can improve the Sharks playoff chances. No, if you move Melker and toss in a pick you might be able to get a Pageau-like forward. Dillon is worth every penny, and Vlasic has a full NMC. To me, Melker is garbage trade him for team fluffer. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 26, 2019 20:19:36 GMT -8
That's why I am saying they are still missing a top-line winger - Patty isn't good enough for that role. Agree that PM is not the answer. I do think he makes them better then they were without him, especially for the price. Oh, absolutely, he's better than any cadre brought up from 'Cuda. |
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Post by d5shark on Oct 26, 2019 20:39:59 GMT -8
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