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Post by cjelli on Apr 15, 2019 16:30:54 GMT -8
While I agree with team defense being a big factor, you can not deny the fact that a more capable goaltender would have this team going in a different direction. I don't blame Jones for all of it, but like I said before a couple key saves a game would have made a big difference. I saw a stat where Jones gave up 18 goals on breakaways, I'm not sure how many breakaways total there was I'm guessing 30. It's horrible when the opposing team is coming down the ice on a breakaway and you know they're going to score. I wish there was a stat on breakaways. I think the Sharks would not like what they see. Bad D and bad goalie play cant win against good teams. There will be next year with player tracking. I am not sure if it would be available to the general public, or even to the licensed data customers.
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 15, 2019 16:45:26 GMT -8
Fuck you Charlie Coyle
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Post by wallyshark on Apr 15, 2019 16:46:25 GMT -8
While I agree with team defense being a big factor, you can not deny the fact that a more capable goaltender would have this team going in a different direction. I don't blame Jones for all of it, but like I said before a couple key saves a game would have made a big difference. I saw a stat where Jones gave up 18 goals on breakaways, I'm not sure how many breakaways total there was I'm guessing 30. It's horrible when the opposing team is coming down the ice on a breakaway and you know they're going to score. Don't give up so many breakaways... The Sharks are stuck with Jones because the GM is a fucking moron. The team has shitty team defense because the GM is a fucking moron. The team is perennially playoff fodder because the GM is a fucking moron. But yeah, blame the goalie because he gets little to no help. Well, like I said, they're stuck with him. Maybe the wise thing to do is get him some fucking help. That starts with the fucking moron GM... Is it safe to assume You cancelled yours and Doug's Tee time for this Week? |
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Post by cjelli on Apr 15, 2019 16:58:17 GMT -8
While I agree with team defense being a big factor, you can not deny the fact that a more capable goaltender would have this team going in a different direction. I don't blame Jones for all of it, but like I said before a couple key saves a game would have made a big difference. I saw a stat where Jones gave up 18 goals on breakaways, I'm not sure how many breakaways total there was I'm guessing 30. It's horrible when the opposing team is coming down the ice on a breakaway and you know they're going to score. Don't give up so many breakaways... The Sharks are stuck with Jones because the GM is a fucking moron. The team has shitty team defense because the GM is a fucking moron. The team is perennially playoff fodder because the GM is a fucking moron. But yeah, blame the goalie because he gets little to no help. Well, like I said, they're stuck with him. Maybe the wise thing to do is get him some fucking help. That starts with the fucking moron GM... I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
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Post by redbeard on Apr 15, 2019 17:00:46 GMT -8
While I agree with team defense being a big factor, you can not deny the fact that a more capable goaltender would have this team going in a different direction. I don't blame Jones for all of it, but like I said before a couple key saves a game would have made a big difference. I saw a stat where Jones gave up 18 goals on breakaways, I'm not sure how many breakaways total there was I'm guessing 30. It's horrible when the opposing team is coming down the ice on a breakaway and you know they're going to score. I wish there was a stat on breakaways. I think the Sharks would not like what they see. Bad D and bad goalie play cant win against good teams. The Sharks know the numbers. DeBoob will say, "We have to find an answer for that." Yeah, yeah, yeah... Well, the answer bag is as empty as your sack Petey. Now, Tanboy has painted the team into a shithole. There's nothing great in the available coaches cupboard and the team has some contracts that could fuck this team over for years. And the team he has compiled sucks as a playoff team, he has no draft capital, and apparently no plan to put out this dumpster fire. |
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Post by redbeard on Apr 15, 2019 17:03:16 GMT -8
Don't give up so many breakaways... The Sharks are stuck with Jones because the GM is a fucking moron. The team has shitty team defense because the GM is a fucking moron. The team is perennially playoff fodder because the GM is a fucking moron. But yeah, blame the goalie because he gets little to no help. Well, like I said, they're stuck with him. Maybe the wise thing to do is get him some fucking help. That starts with the fucking moron GM... Is it safe to assume You cancelled yours and Doug's Tee time for this Week? There's no chance I'd cancel that! Are you kidding me? I'd gladly pay for the round just to be able to bend his blistered ears for 18 holes! |
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Post by redbeard on Apr 15, 2019 17:09:56 GMT -8
Don't give up so many breakaways... The Sharks are stuck with Jones because the GM is a fucking moron. The team has shitty team defense because the GM is a fucking moron. The team is perennially playoff fodder because the GM is a fucking moron. But yeah, blame the goalie because he gets little to no help. Well, like I said, they're stuck with him. Maybe the wise thing to do is get him some fucking help. That starts with the fucking moron GM... I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
Protecting your goalie would make sense. Teams I coached learned quickly not to throw their goalies under the bus. There would be shots against performance goals set and rewards/consequences based on those performance goals. As the team defense improved, so did the goalie stats. I'd give the goalies incentives as well based on their play. |
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Post by John96 on Apr 15, 2019 17:29:08 GMT -8
Don't give up so many breakaways... The Sharks are stuck with Jones because the GM is a fucking moron. The team has shitty team defense because the GM is a fucking moron. The team is perennially playoff fodder because the GM is a fucking moron. But yeah, blame the goalie because he gets little to no help. Well, like I said, they're stuck with him. Maybe the wise thing to do is get him some fucking help. That starts with the fucking moron GM... I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
The problem is this team is built the exact opposite way. I think structurally, the way the team is built demands a goalie that is very different from Jones. Jones is a shot blocker, he has get in front of the shot, use his size to cut down angles, and trust his team with the second chances. His lateral movement is not good and his reaction/reading seems below average, although I am no goalie expert. Right now he's very off his game but it seems to be magnified by the fact that this is a team that needs to play with pace, rush up the ice, and use their skill to create chances. It's not a very structured, rigid, disciplined, way of playing but that is not the outcome you ought to expect when you look at the roster (Burns, Karlsson, JT, Hertl, Kane, etc). And it leads to lots of quality chances against, particularly with speed and space to maneuver east-west. Just my thoughts. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Apr 15, 2019 17:47:33 GMT -8
I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
The problem is this team is built the exact opposite way. I think structurally, the way the team is built demands a goalie that is very different from Jones. Jones is a shot blocker, he has get in front of the shot, use his size to cut down angles, and trust his team with the second chances. His lateral movement is not good and his reaction/reading seems below average, although I am no goalie expert. Right now he's very off his game but it seems to be magnified by the fact that this is a team that needs to play with pace, rush up the ice, and use their skill to create chances. It's not a very structured, rigid, disciplined, way of playing but that is not the outcome you ought to expect when you look at the roster (Burns, Karlsson, JT, Hertl, Kane, etc). And it leads to lots of quality chances against, particularly with speed and space to maneuver east-west. Just my thoughts. The team had a record for goals scored this season. I think they pinch too much. There is balance and they overplay towards offense. |
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Post by cjelli on Apr 15, 2019 18:23:44 GMT -8
I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
The problem is this team is built the exact opposite way. I think structurally, the way the team is built demands a goalie that is very different from Jones. Jones is a shot blocker, he has get in front of the shot, use his size to cut down angles, and trust his team with the second chances. His lateral movement is not good and his reaction/reading seems below average, although I am no goalie expert. Right now he's very off his game but it seems to be magnified by the fact that this is a team that needs to play with pace, rush up the ice, and use their skill to create chances. It's not a very structured, rigid, disciplined, way of playing but that is not the outcome you ought to expect when you look at the roster (Burns, Karlsson, JT, Hertl, Kane, etc). And it leads to lots of quality chances against, particularly with speed and space to maneuver east-west. Just my thoughts. This is on the coach. It is hard to say 'no' when you get an opportunity to get EK65, but the coach must build the roster in a harmonious way. So if you want to keep Karlsson on the roster, and you know you have a problem with this setup and Jones, at the deadline you pay a premium, but you replace Jones with someone better fit.
This is on the coach, once again, not on the GM.
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Post by d5shark on Apr 15, 2019 19:33:57 GMT -8
Matt Nieto. Discuss...
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Post by cjelli on Apr 15, 2019 19:34:36 GMT -8
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Post by redbeard on Apr 15, 2019 20:07:44 GMT -8
I am not a hockey player, but I thought the basics of the game are: If your goalie is out of shape, you collapse and play much, much tighter. Up to the Sutter's pentagon he used with the Queens. The "creativity" is put on the back burner until further notice.
The problem is this team is built the exact opposite way. I think structurally, the way the team is built demands a goalie that is very different from Jones. Jones is a shot blocker, he has get in front of the shot, use his size to cut down angles, and trust his team with the second chances. His lateral movement is not good and his reaction/reading seems below average, although I am no goalie expert. Right now he's very off his game but it seems to be magnified by the fact that this is a team that needs to play with pace, rush up the ice, and use their skill to create chances. It's not a very structured, rigid, disciplined, way of playing but that is not the outcome you ought to expect when you look at the roster (Burns, Karlsson, JT, Hertl, Kane, etc). And it leads to lots of quality chances against, particularly with speed and space to maneuver east-west. Just my thoughts. The team does little, if anything, to help Jones or Dell. The focus is, in my opinion, selfishly on getting up ice to generate points. Points are where the contract dollars ramp up. Blocked shots are tracked but clearing rebounds is not. (AFAIK) Doing the little things doesn't get the pub. Scoring goals does. This team sucks at breaking out because, IMO, they lack the discipline and patience to stay in their zone long enough to be sure they'll get a clear. It's a race to get up ice. After the race to get up ice, they're slow getting back forcing the D, more often than not, to back in rather than stand up the opposition at the blueline. Once they're all back in the D-zone, their coverage and gap control generally sucks. The goaltenders are left to deal with the ensuing onslaught. |
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Post by Marbles on Apr 16, 2019 7:55:15 GMT -8
Was shouting him out at a pizza place last night. |
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 16, 2019 8:49:31 GMT -8
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Apr 16, 2019 8:57:00 GMT -8
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Post by d5shark on Apr 16, 2019 8:59:18 GMT -8
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Apr 16, 2019 11:11:44 GMT -8
T-Mac to coach kings, will be announced soon.
5 year deal with bonuses.
me thinks it will be lot of dump and chase for the Kings.
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Post by danvilleshark on Apr 16, 2019 11:17:41 GMT -8
T-Mac to coach kings, will be announced soon. 5 year deal with bonuses. me thinks it will be lot of dump and chase for the Kings. The cup is theirs? Again............ |
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 16, 2019 13:17:11 GMT -8
L
They're fucked. 😆😆😆
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Post by HOOCH2173 on Apr 16, 2019 13:51:20 GMT -8
but if they win a 3rd cup before yours truly, then we be fucked! |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Apr 16, 2019 14:20:05 GMT -8
but if they win a 3rd cup before yours truly, then we be fucked! Watch T-Mac will the cup with LA & Then flip off Wilson & laugh at him |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Apr 16, 2019 15:20:51 GMT -8
Tampa already down 2-0 in the first 5 minutes and they don't even have a shot on goal.
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Post by sharkhaywood on Apr 16, 2019 15:22:43 GMT -8
T-Mac to coach kings, will be announced soon. 5 year deal with bonuses. me thinks it will be lot of dump and chase for the Kings. The cup is theirs? Again............ Not with that roster. The Kings are still built for the big, slow, bruising NHL that no longer exists. Everyone in the league is playing faster and the Kings don't have the wheels to match. Looking forward to seeing T-Mac overplay Quick and running him into the groun. |
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 16, 2019 15:44:06 GMT -8
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Post by d5shark on Apr 16, 2019 16:44:55 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on Apr 16, 2019 16:45:10 GMT -8
Tampa Bay isn't laying down. 3-3 in the 2nd
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Post by cjelli on Apr 16, 2019 16:48:01 GMT -8
Tampa Bay isn't laying down. 3-3 in the 2nd I'm worried about cmhshark 's liver. |
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Post by cjelli on Apr 16, 2019 16:48:54 GMT -8
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Post by d5shark on Apr 16, 2019 17:37:48 GMT -8
It's happening!!!
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