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Post by Fugazi on Jun 6, 2019 20:01:20 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 21:36:41 GMT -8
The quote continues: “We will be apologizing to the Boston Bruins later tonight.” TRO |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 6, 2019 21:40:55 GMT -8
The quote continues: “We will be apologizing to the Boston Bruins later tonight.” TRO This seems to be the postseason of controversy. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 6, 2019 22:35:14 GMT -8
Things are getting a bit chippy in Boston
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jun 7, 2019 7:09:58 GMT -8
Things are getting a bit chippy in Boston Idiots |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 7, 2019 8:53:05 GMT -8
Things are getting a bit chippy in Boston The game I went to at the TD Garden a few years ago was Boston v. Islanders with Nabby in the net. Nabby made a great save (his only highlight in a game where he got yanked in the first period after giving up 3 goals on 8 shots) and I simply said "What a save!" We were right next to the Boston bench in good seats. The guy next to me gave me a dirty look and I said "I'm a Sharks fan here on vacation. I'm not rooting for the Islanders." He said it was no big deal but if I did that up in the nose bleed seats I would have probably been in a fight. He turned out to be a cool guy who bought me a beer. A kid next to us was there and it was his first NHL game. The guy had some connections with the Bruins because he talked to one of the ushers and the usher came back with a game puck for the kid and one of the Bruins gave him a stick at the end of the game.'' So there are definitely some Massholes in their fan base but at least a few guys were pretty cool. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 7, 2019 8:54:25 GMT -8
The quote continues: “We will be apologizing to the Boston Bruins later tonight.” TRO This seems to be the postseason of controversy. Wasn't it Kelly Sutherland the ref who called Couture for the interference penalty that wiped a goal off the boards against the Sharks in the Vegas series? This playoffs has had the worst officiating I can remember across the boards. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 7, 2019 8:59:06 GMT -8
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 7, 2019 9:18:46 GMT -8
The Blues have gotten away with this all postseason. Even if you get suspended for one game if you give a player a concussion you win. The league is a mess right now. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 7, 2019 9:20:34 GMT -8
The Blues have been greatly rewarded for head hunting. Is this the message the league wishes to send?
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 7, 2019 9:22:32 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 7, 2019 9:25:40 GMT -8
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 7, 2019 9:27:14 GMT -8
The Blues have gotten away with this all postseason. Even if you get suspended for one game if you give a player a concussion you win. The league is a mess right now. |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 7, 2019 9:29:01 GMT -8
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Post by LordNelson on Jun 7, 2019 9:45:44 GMT -8
Things are getting a bit chippy in Boston At the clips end, Blues fan has the Boston drunk down in a choke hold in his own Barn. Pretty sure that means St. Louis is about to win their first Cup. Red would have kicked ALL of their asses! LOL. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 7, 2019 9:47:35 GMT -8
I have grown tired of this argument that you can't call every penalty. If they started calling every penalty players would adjust their play and no longer rely on the little grabs and hooks that slow play up. I am quickly coming to the same position as Ken Dryden that any hit that involves any contact to the head should be called a penalty. Don't care if it wasn't the principle point of contact or not. You make head contact you get called. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 7, 2019 9:53:34 GMT -8
I have grown tired of this argument that you can't call every penalty. If they started calling every penalty players would adjust their play and no longer rely on the little grabs and hooks that slow play up. I am quickly coming to the same position as Ken Dryden that any hit that involves any contact to the head should be called a penalty. Don't care if it wasn't the principle point of contact or not. You make head contact you get called. This ^^ |
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Post by LordNelson on Jun 7, 2019 10:12:33 GMT -8
I have grown tired of this argument that you can't call every penalty. If they started calling every penalty players would adjust their play and no longer rely on the little grabs and hooks that slow play up. I am quickly coming to the same position as Ken Dryden that any hit that involves any contact to the head should be called a penalty. Don't care if it wasn't the principle point of contact or not. You make head contact you get called. The game goes so fast at the NHL level. IMO, best Refs in the world work Cup finals and they still miss stuff. Now since its a game of pixels, everyone gets to second-guess the live action. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 10:19:57 GMT -8
I have grown tired of this argument that you can't call every penalty. If they started calling every penalty players would adjust their play and no longer rely on the little grabs and hooks that slow play up. I am quickly coming to the same position as Ken Dryden that any hit that involves any contact to the head should be called a penalty. Don't care if it wasn't the principle point of contact or not. You make head contact you get called. The game goes so fast at the NHL level. IMO, best Refs in the world work Cup finals and they still miss stuff. Now since its a game of pixels, everyone gets to second-guess the live action. With pixels moving 1/10 the speed of real life. That said, missing the trip which led to the second STL goal is inexcusable. TRO |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Jun 7, 2019 10:33:36 GMT -8
The game goes so fast at the NHL level. IMO, best Refs in the world work Cup finals and they still miss stuff. Now since its a game of pixels, everyone gets to second-guess the live action. With pixels moving 1/10 the speed of real life. That said, missing the trip which led to the second STL goal is inexcusable. TRO The problem is these penalties aren't being missed by the refs. They are happening right in front of them and they are choosing to not make the call. Sutherland didn't miss the trip last night. He simply chose to ignore it. The refs seem to have this "Let them play" mentality because they don't want to effect the outcome of the game. The problem is their lack of calling penalties is having a major effect on the outcome of the games. The Blues are out there head hunting because they are getting away with it. They knocked Hertl and Pavelski out of Game 6 in the WCF and took out one of the Bruins' top 6 D men for the series and the punishment was non existent in the WCF and in the Finals was simply a 1 game suspension. That's a win for St. Louis. In a league facing a lawsuit over head injuries for them to simply continue to look the other way as a team is now 1 win away from the Cup by repeatedly targeting players heads throughout the playoffs is simply ridiculous. The officiating in this playoffs is the worst I have seen in 25 years of watching hockey. |
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Post by John96 on Jun 7, 2019 13:47:31 GMT -8
I have grown tired of this argument that you can't call every penalty. If they started calling every penalty players would adjust their play and no longer rely on the little grabs and hooks that slow play up. I am quickly coming to the same position as Ken Dryden that any hit that involves any contact to the head should be called a penalty. Don't care if it wasn't the principle point of contact or not. You make head contact you get called. This ^^ Might as well ban all bodychecking in that case. Technically it is possible to bodycheck without head contact but reality is that the line between head contact and no head contact can be a razor thin line. Unless you want everyone hipchecking and knee injuries to skyrocket. I agree that players adjust but if head contact becomes a blanket penalty than players will adjust to play more conservatively (which they always do as studies have shown) and avoid checking. It's safer no doubt, but it's not hockey. And that would be the time I leave for good. Than there is the problem of definition. Does that mean all head contact, no matter how forceful? What if two players simply collide incidentally and one hits his head? The league doesn't need more rules in my opinion. I know it sounds insane. Maybe in 25 years it will be insane. But violence is a selling point for hockey. If you want to legislate it out of the game, so long. And I have zero doubts, absolutely none, that banning all head contact will have that effect if properly enforced. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 7, 2019 14:37:27 GMT -8
Might as well ban all bodychecking in that case. Technically it is possible to bodycheck without head contact but reality is that the line between head contact and no head contact can be a razor thin line. Unless you want everyone hipchecking and knee injuries to skyrocket. I agree that players adjust but if head contact becomes a blanket penalty than players will adjust to play more conservatively (which they always do as studies have shown) and avoid checking. It's safer no doubt, but it's not hockey. And that would be the time I leave for good. Than there is the problem of definition. Does that mean all head contact, no matter how forceful? What if two players simply collide incidentally and one hits his head? The league doesn't need more rules in my opinion. I know it sounds insane. Maybe in 25 years it will be insane. But violence is a selling point for hockey. If you want to legislate it out of the game, so long. And I have zero doubts, absolutely none, that banning all head contact will have that effect if properly enforced. You should watch Soviet hockey, how the game is beautiful without head contact. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Jun 7, 2019 15:09:25 GMT -8
This seems to be the postseason of controversy. Wasn't it Kelly Sutherland the ref who called Couture for the interference penalty that wiped a goal off the boards against the Sharks in the Vegas series? This playoffs has had the worst officiating I can remember across the boards. Yes Sutherland was the ref who screwed the Sharks in game 2... He's about 5 foot nothing in size & thinks the fans came to watch him ref the games. Like Kerry Frazier with his nice hair back in the day |
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Post by danvilleshark on Jun 7, 2019 15:17:52 GMT -8
ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Blues forward Ivan Barbashev has been suspended for one game for an illegal check to the head on Boston's Marcus Johansson in Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Final, the league announced Friday.
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Post by jackalope on Jun 7, 2019 15:50:57 GMT -8
ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Blues forward Ivan Barbashev has been suspended for one game for an illegal check to the head on Boston's Marcus Johansson in Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Final, the league announced Friday. I can't believe they actually suspended him finally. With all the illegal checks he dished out, he could have been suspended the rest of the post season lol. |
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Post by Badger on Jun 7, 2019 16:17:22 GMT -8
ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Blues forward Ivan Barbashev has been suspended for one game for an illegal check to the head on Boston's Marcus Johansson in Game 5 of the Stanley Cup Final, the league announced Friday. I can't believe they actually suspended him finally. With all the illegal checks he dished out, he could have been suspended the rest of the post season lol. They got one right. |
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Post by John96 on Jun 7, 2019 16:22:55 GMT -8
Might as well ban all bodychecking in that case. Technically it is possible to bodycheck without head contact but reality is that the line between head contact and no head contact can be a razor thin line. Unless you want everyone hipchecking and knee injuries to skyrocket. I agree that players adjust but if head contact becomes a blanket penalty than players will adjust to play more conservatively (which they always do as studies have shown) and avoid checking. It's safer no doubt, but it's not hockey. And that would be the time I leave for good. Than there is the problem of definition. Does that mean all head contact, no matter how forceful? What if two players simply collide incidentally and one hits his head? The league doesn't need more rules in my opinion. I know it sounds insane. Maybe in 25 years it will be insane. But violence is a selling point for hockey. If you want to legislate it out of the game, so long. And I have zero doubts, absolutely none, that banning all head contact will have that effect if properly enforced. You should watch Soviet hockey, how the game is beautiful without head contact. You couldn’t pay me to watch European hockey. Yeah it might be beautiful. Pretty is probably a better word for it. While hockey can be, and should be, beautiful it should also be tough and rough. |
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Post by LordNelson on Jun 7, 2019 16:41:12 GMT -8
Might as well ban all bodychecking in that case. Technically it is possible to bodycheck without head contact but reality is that the line between head contact and no head contact can be a razor thin line. Unless you want everyone hipchecking and knee injuries to skyrocket. I agree that players adjust but if head contact becomes a blanket penalty than players will adjust to play more conservatively (which they always do as studies have shown) and avoid checking. It's safer no doubt, but it's not hockey. And that would be the time I leave for good. Than there is the problem of definition. Does that mean all head contact, no matter how forceful? What if two players simply collide incidentally and one hits his head? The league doesn't need more rules in my opinion. I know it sounds insane. Maybe in 25 years it will be insane. But violence is a selling point for hockey. If you want to legislate it out of the game, so long. And I have zero doubts, absolutely none, that banning all head contact will have that effect if properly enforced. You should watch Soviet hockey, how the game is beautiful without head contact. IMO, Its more about the 100x200 playing surface more than its a ‘style of play’. NHLers IMO are getting too big and fast for the 75x200 NHL surface. In the Euro leagues it’s hard to marginalize speed and good skating with hooks, bumps and grabs. As the game evolves, NHL will someday adopt to the bigger euro surfaces. They’ll need to for safety reasons. We’re about 20 years away from that now, IMO. |
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Post by Fugazi on Jun 7, 2019 16:56:17 GMT -8
You should watch Soviet hockey, how the game is beautiful without head contact. IMO, Its more about the 100x200 playing surface more than its a ‘style of play’. NHLers IMO are getting too big and fast for the 75x200 NHL surface. In the Euro leagues it’s hard to marginalize speed and good skating with hooks, bumps and grabs. As the game evolves, NHL will someday adopt to the bigger euro surfaces. They’ll need to for safety reasons. We’re about 20 years away from that now, IMO. Small wonder that the Olympic Games always excel with Hockey. |
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Post by cjelli on Jun 7, 2019 17:09:39 GMT -8
You should watch Soviet hockey, how the game is beautiful without head contact. You couldn’t pay me to watch European hockey. Yeah it might be beautiful. Pretty is probably a better word for it. While hockey can be, and should be, beautiful it should also be tough and rough. Today's European hockey isn't very good - all the best talent is in the NHL. But the 1981 Canada Cup...
You should read more what Dani Carcillo or Grant Fuhr write - definitely not the softer guys in the hockey history.
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