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Post by cjelli on Oct 28, 2021 7:27:19 GMT -8
A propos, that Brad Aldrich, that's son of Mike Aldrich, Sharks' equipment manager. Mike got him the Hawks' job, obviously.
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 28, 2021 8:28:27 GMT -8
A propos, that Brad Aldrich, that's son of Mike Aldrich, Sharks' equipment manager. Mike got him the Hawks' job, obviously. Holy shit I did not make that connection |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 28, 2021 8:30:16 GMT -8
from Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun,
Joel Quenneville’s season should come to an abrupt end on Thursday.
And when it resumes – assuming it resumes – should be in the hands of NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.
Quenneville was coach of the eventual Stanley Cup winning Chicago Blackhawks of 2010, and he like general manager Stan Bowman, like senior director of hockey administration Al MacIsaac, like then team president John McDonough was made aware of the sexual assault allegations against video coach Brad Aldrich.
And all of them chose to look the other way.
Bowman has since resigned or been fired, often there is little difference between the two in professional sports. MacIsaac is out as well as every other front office Blackhawks employee who was part of the team in 2010. Quenneville was the head coach, he worked closest with Aldrich, and he now plays the part of Roger Clemens among witnesses – remembering next to nothing when interviewed by the law firm of Jenner and Block.
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 28, 2021 8:33:25 GMT -8
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Post by John96 on Oct 28, 2021 8:43:02 GMT -8
I read this report and ones like it before (think of the Mike Danton/Theo Fleury/Sheldon Kennedy revelations) and your question is one that always comes up but I don’t think anyone can expect to get an answer that’ll satisfy. It won’t make sense to us who have never been in that horrible situation. It always seems like an easy answer, why didn’t you just fight him off and run away, but I would venture to guess it’s the entire emotional and mental shock and terror in that moment that makes them freeze instead of fight or fly. That isn’t a knock on Beach or any other victim either, just how some respond to trauma/stress/danger/fear. I think the perpetrators of these heinous acts have a knack for identifying who will respond that way. Reading the report makes it sound like Aldrich knew who to target and what to do in order to assault Beach. Which is why we call them predators and what makes a disgusting crime even more repulsive. That’s my two cents at least. Wait, the _rape_ has been proven? Or is the investigation of whether it was advance and coercion vs violent assault and rape still on? I’m just calling it as I see it after reading the report from the lawyer’s website, Jenner & Block. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 28, 2021 8:59:15 GMT -8
Wait, the _rape_ has been proven? Or is the investigation of whether it was advance and coercion vs violent assault and rape still on? I’m just calling it as I see it after reading the report from the lawyer’s website, Jenner & Block. An allegation was reported and buried. Everyone involved needs to go. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 28, 2021 9:53:42 GMT -8
I’m just calling it as I see it after reading the report from the lawyer’s website, Jenner & Block. An allegation was reported and buried. Everyone involved needs to go. In general Toews and Kane would need to go too. However, I am not sure that would be a punishment for the team. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 28, 2021 10:27:57 GMT -8
An allegation was reported and buried. Everyone involved needs to go. In general Toews and Kane would need to go too. However, I am not sure that would be a punishment for the team. Agree, making them stay is punishment for the team. The league must be punishing the sharks via DW. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 28, 2021 10:40:51 GMT -8
One thing doesn't come together for me. How do you force a 6'3" 200lbs 20-year-old man at the peak of his physical capacity into a homosexual act alone, with a baseball bat? Especially when the rapist is not a military superior or a police officer over a detained? Brad Aldrich is a video coach, not Mike Tyson. HOW? I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) |
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Post by danvilleshark on Oct 28, 2021 10:54:08 GMT -8
One thing doesn't come together for me. How do you force a 6'3" 200lbs 20-year-old man at the peak of his physical capacity into a homosexual act alone, with a baseball bat? Especially when the rapist is not a military superior or a police officer over a detained? Brad Aldrich is a video coach, not Mike Tyson. HOW? I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) If there was a perception that he had sway beyond his title with the org (he likely created this) he had power. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 28, 2021 12:13:48 GMT -8
Totally on Beach’s side here…people should be criminally prosecuted, the hawks should forfeit that SC championship and their names removed from the cup…but the statement about people “putting their lives on the line” everyday to bring us hockey is just plain stupid. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 28, 2021 12:16:37 GMT -8
I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) If there was a perception that he had sway beyond his title with the org (he likely created this) he had power. Thats actually the most common way sexual assaults happen. Usually its a family member, after that its coaches, work, etc. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 28, 2021 12:20:31 GMT -8
I’m just calling it as I see it after reading the report from the lawyer’s website, Jenner & Block. An allegation was reported and buried. Everyone involved needs to go. And if he reported it to a medical or psych person for the union, that person is a mandated reporter and should be prosecuted. |
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Post by cjelli on Oct 28, 2021 15:55:34 GMT -8
One thing doesn't come together for me. How do you force a 6'3" 200lbs 20-year-old man at the peak of his physical capacity into a homosexual act alone, with a baseball bat? Especially when the rapist is not a military superior or a police officer over a detained? Brad Aldrich is a video coach, not Mike Tyson. HOW? I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) So? Is it better to suck a dick? He's 20. He's been in pro leagues already. I could believe that story in junior leagues with 16-17 y.o.
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Post by cjelli on Oct 28, 2021 16:00:34 GMT -8
Totally on Beach’s side here…people should be criminally prosecuted, the hawks should forfeit that SC championship and their names removed from the cup…but the statement about people “putting their lives on the line” everyday to bring us hockey is just plain stupid. The only criminal prosecution here is for the Blackhawks not to report on Aldrich's history when he was hired by that Ohio school (where he continued to grab crotches and eventually was sent to jail). There might be a license revocation issue for the team's shrink.
Other than that it's a highly unethical issue, and the forfeitures and other NHL-based punishments from people on that team and the brass are more than due. But nothing beyond.
Ladd released a statement today that looked straight out of Hillary Clinton lawyers' office.
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Post by jackalope on Oct 28, 2021 16:09:17 GMT -8
I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) If there was a perception that he had sway beyond his title with the org (he likely created this) he had power. Yes exactly. I'm sure most of us that are over the age of 25 would say? What the fuck is he gonna do, he's a video coach but to a young impressionable kid trying to make the nhl, thats all it took. That guy is just a predator, and thats what those pieces of shit do to get that power. I just don't understand how an entire chain of command could sit there and do nothing and then try to pass the buck like I told my superior, I'm sorry he didn't do anything about it. I get that not everyone in that "meeting" didn't have the power to fire Alderich, but every single one of them had the power and moral obligation to call the police. |
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Post by jackalope on Oct 28, 2021 16:17:38 GMT -8
I heard/read that he threatened his career saying he could end it because he is a coach.(or to that effect) So? Is it better to suck a dick? He's 20. He's been in pro leagues already. I could believe that story in junior leagues with 16-17 y.o.
Are you saying you don't believe him? That coach is a predator, he assaulted an nhl intern like a week after the incident, then again at the college got a job at and finally again at the high school after that. Fight, flight or freeze is the reactions to a traumatic event. Most 20 year olds are no where near mature especially if their life prior hasn't seen violence/trauma. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 28, 2021 17:49:11 GMT -8
Totally on Beach’s side here…people should be criminally prosecuted, the hawks should forfeit that SC championship and their names removed from the cup…but the statement about people “putting their lives on the line” everyday to bring us hockey is just plain stupid. I don't think they should have their names etched off the cup or forfeit the championship. I might be a minority in thinking that but that's how I feel. I just don't see that as a punishment fit for the crime as it is. I do think that whole era though could just be considered anathema by the NHL. The American hockey hero Patrick Kane OT goal that won them the cup the NHL loves showcasing in every highlight reel: gone. Delete the footage. Don't include any part of the Blackhawks 2010's success in any marketing from now on. That way they can be ignored, neglected, and forgotten by every hockey fan, like they did to Kyle Beach. |
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Post by coachjules on Oct 28, 2021 18:09:42 GMT -8
Totally on Beach’s side here…people should be criminally prosecuted, the hawks should forfeit that SC championship and their names removed from the cup…but the statement about people “putting their lives on the line” everyday to bring us hockey is just plain stupid. I don't think they should have their names etched off the cup or forfeit the championship. I might be a minority in thinking that but that's how I feel. I just don't see that as a punishment fit for the crime as it is. I do think that whole era though could just be considered anathema by the NHL. The American hockey hero Patrick Kane OT goal that won them the cup the NHL loves showcasing in every highlight reel: gone. Delete the footage. Don't include any part of the Blackhawks 2010's success in any marketing from now on. That way they can be ignored, neglected, and forgotten by every hockey fan, like they did to Kyle Beach. This occurs to me just now, and I haven’t been following this story except for the posts in this thread. It occurs to me that maybe quite a large number of guys in the NHL (and the MLB and NFL and definitely the NBA) sucked a few dicks on the way up. They were outraged and humiliated too but accepted it as cost of doing business. They dismissed the noises from this guy because they knew it was not unusual, and maybe they figured he was a whiny bitch but certainly didn’t want their own humiliation brought into the limelight. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Oct 28, 2021 18:12:19 GMT -8
Quennville just resigned from Florida
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Post by cjelli on Oct 28, 2021 18:49:55 GMT -8
So? Is it better to suck a dick? He's 20. He's been in pro leagues already. I could believe that story in junior leagues with 16-17 y.o.
Are you saying you don't believe him? That coach is a predator, he assaulted an nhl intern like a week after the incident, then again at the college got a job at and finally again at the high school after that. Fight, flight or freeze is the reactions to a traumatic event. Most 20 year olds are no where near mature especially if their life prior hasn't seen violence/trauma. I don't find it likely a small person with limited authority could rape a 20-years old hulk that is not even his direct subordinate. He assaulted an intern. Did he get anywhere?
Kyle Beach was coerced, yes, definitely. Raped, very unlikely. This is a hockey team in a free country, not a barrack in a Soviet prison.
However, it's not for us, for the media and even not for the Blackhawks or the NHL to figure that out. It's for the police, or whatever sorry institution of that remains in Chicago.
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Post by jackalope on Oct 28, 2021 19:18:44 GMT -8
Are you saying you don't believe him? That coach is a predator, he assaulted an nhl intern like a week after the incident, then again at the college got a job at and finally again at the high school after that. Fight, flight or freeze is the reactions to a traumatic event. Most 20 year olds are no where near mature especially if their life prior hasn't seen violence/trauma. I don't find it likely a small person with limited authority could rape a 20-years old hulk that is not even his direct subordinate. He assaulted an intern. Did he get anywhere?
Kyle Beach was coerced, yes, definitely. Raped, very unlikely. This is a hockey team in a free country, not a barrack in a Soviet prison.
However, it's not for us, for the media and even not for the Blackhawks or the NHL to figure that out. It's for the police, or whatever sorry institution of that remains in Chicago.
It wasn't rape, it was sexual assault and non consensual, he was threatened with a baseball bat and for some people that is all it takes even though the kid was not small. The assault on the intern happened because the first incident was not reported/nothing punitive done to Alderich. Then after the cup was won, he was given the choice to resign or an investigation into what he had done would be launched. He then resigned and moved onto a college (with a recommendation letter from CHI) and assaulted who knows how many kids there. Was then forced to move on and went to a high school were he assaulted and raped at least 1 child, who he subsequently is in prison for currently. The guy is a predator and has been from the beginning, slowly working his way down the age scale. |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 28, 2021 20:02:46 GMT -8
via Sportsnet's YouYube page,
St. Louis Blues goalie Jordan Binnington loses his cool after the whistle, swing stick in direction of Nazem Kadri's head and shoots puck at Avalanche goalie Darcy Kuemper.
Misconduct for Binnington.
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Post by jackalope on Oct 28, 2021 20:50:30 GMT -8
via Sportsnet's YouYube page, St. Louis Blues goalie Jordan Binnington loses his cool after the whistle, swing stick in direction of Nazem Kadri's head and shoots puck at Avalanche goalie Darcy Kuemper. Misconduct for Binnington. Someone needs to actually fight Binnington, maybe then he wont be so keen on the bullshit antics. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 29, 2021 8:22:06 GMT -8
via Sportsnet's YouYube page, St. Louis Blues goalie Jordan Binnington loses his cool after the whistle, swing stick in direction of Nazem Kadri's head and shoots puck at Avalanche goalie Darcy Kuemper. Misconduct for Binnington. Someone needs to actually fight Binnington, maybe then he wont be so keen on the bullshit antics. Agreed. Just a punk who deserves to get run or something. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Oct 29, 2021 9:08:08 GMT -8
Totally on Beach’s side here…people should be criminally prosecuted, the hawks should forfeit that SC championship and their names removed from the cup…but the statement about people “putting their lives on the line” everyday to bring us hockey is just plain stupid. I don't think they should have their names etched off the cup or forfeit the championship. I might be a minority in thinking that but that's how I feel. I just don't see that as a punishment fit for the crime as it is. I do think that whole era though could just be considered anathema by the NHL. The American hockey hero Patrick Kane OT goal that won them the cup the NHL loves showcasing in every highlight reel: gone. Delete the footage. Don't include any part of the Blackhawks 2010's success in any marketing from now on. That way they can be ignored, neglected, and forgotten by every hockey fan, like they did to Kyle Beach. You and I are usually on the same page, so my disagreement comes from a respectful place…they can’t be “ignored, neglected and forgotten” if their name is etched forever on the most sacred item in the NHL. |
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Post by John96 on Oct 29, 2021 9:33:15 GMT -8
I don't think they should have their names etched off the cup or forfeit the championship. I might be a minority in thinking that but that's how I feel. I just don't see that as a punishment fit for the crime as it is. I do think that whole era though could just be considered anathema by the NHL. The American hockey hero Patrick Kane OT goal that won them the cup the NHL loves showcasing in every highlight reel: gone. Delete the footage. Don't include any part of the Blackhawks 2010's success in any marketing from now on. That way they can be ignored, neglected, and forgotten by every hockey fan, like they did to Kyle Beach. You and I are usually on the same page, so my disagreement comes from a respectful place…they can’t be “ignored, neglected and forgotten” if their name is etched forever on the most sacred item in the NHL. I get it. And I respect you saying it. I probably can’t explain why I think that properly but it just doesn’t seem like a punishment that fits the crime, you know? And it also wouldn’t surprise me that a couple of players really didn’t know that something happened to Beach, who was a Black Ace, or at least didn’t know that a crime was committed and it wouldn’t be fair to them. I get the outrage at the crime would make people okay with hurting the entire organization as deeply as they can but it’s probable that some innocent parties would get hurt along the way. But whatever, we can all agree that there should be more done and it’s gonna take a long, long, long, time for the Blackhawks to move past this as it should. They are know #1 in the hockey hatred standings. |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 29, 2021 14:36:09 GMT -8
The Chicago Blackhawks have requested that Brad Aldrich’s name be removed off the Stanley Cup.  |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 29, 2021 14:40:17 GMT -8
via Sportsnet's YouYube page, St. Louis Blues goalie Jordan Binnington loses his cool after the whistle, swing stick in direction of Nazem Kadri's head and shoots puck at Avalanche goalie Darcy Kuemper. Misconduct for Binnington. from Sportsnet, St. Louis Blues goalie Jordan Binnington doesn't regret swinging his stick at Colorado Avalanche forward Nazem Kadri during a scrum in NHL action between bitter rivals on Thursday. "No," he said when asked by a reporter Friday if he regretted the incident. "I don't condone it. It doesn't need to happen. Getting in the scrum was enough, I didn't need to do the stuff after. But stuff happens out there and you learn, and you keep moving forward." Binnington received a rare 10-minute misconduct along with Kadri on the play, but the penalty was served by forward Robert Bortuzzo.... "No, I'm not crazy," he said. "It's a tense game and it's not part of the modern-day hockey. Maybe back in the olden days, but it is what it is. "(The stick-swinging was) kind of the heat of the moment. ... I might have taken it a bit too far. I don't want to condone the stick-swinging. Having a guy sit in the box for 10 minutes isn't being a good teammate. I definitely don't want kids out there swinging their sticks. It's an emotional situation, emotions were high and it was a competitive game, and these are big games against a big team." |
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Post by Fugazi on Oct 29, 2021 15:19:46 GMT -8
from Frank Seravalli of Daily Faceoff,
Compared to Quenneville and Cheveldayoff, the level of scrutiny has been quite low on the role NHL Players’ Association executive director Donald Fehr played in the investigation’s report.
The temperature has been turned up on Fehr, though, now under increasing fire both internally and externally upon closer inspection of the Jenner & Block report.
Sources tell Daily Faceoff that internal support for Fehr among NHLPA staff has waned in light of Fehr’s “lack of recollection” surrounding the contact that was made with him in connection with the incident.
There have been internal questions raised as to whether Fehr would or should survive the week at the helm of the player’s union.
“I know I reported every single detail to an individual at the NHLPA, who I was put in contact with after I believe two different people talked to Don Fehr,” Beach said in an emotional interview this week, revealing himself publicly as the victim. “For [Fehr] to turn his back on the players when his one job is to protect the players at all costs, I don’t know how that can be your leader.”
The crux of the issue: is Fehr systematically complicit in allowing Aldrich to continue to move freely in the hockey community as a sexual predator?
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