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Post by Fugazi on Aug 19, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -8
4. Erik Karlsson, San Jose Sharks
In his first season in San Jose, Karlsson was limited to 53 games because of injury but had 45 points (three goals, 42 assists) to rank sixth among NHL defensemen in points per game (0.85). The 29-year-old had at least 62 points in five straight seasons through 2017-18, and his 563 points since entering the NHL in 2009-10 are the most among defensemen in that span, ahead of Burns' 532. Karlsson is a four-time Norris Trophy finalist, winning the award in 2011-12 and 2014-15, was voted to the NHL First All-Star Team three times (2014-17).
1. Brent Burns, San Jose Sharks
For the second time in three seasons, Burns led NHL defensemen in scoring. His 83 points (16 goals, 67 assists) were an NHL career high. He also led NHL defensemen with six game-winning goals, and his seven power-play goals were tied for first with Drew Doughty (Los Angeles Kings) and Keith Yandle (Florida Panthers). The 34-year-old has scored at least 60 points in each of the past five seasons. He has been a finalist for the Norris Trophy as best defenseman in the NHL three of the past four seasons and was voted the winner of the award in 2016-17. Burns has 50 points (15 goals, 35 assists) in 60 Stanley Cup Playoff games since 2015-16 to lead defensemen in that span.
"Any game, any situation, any time when Brent Burns is focused, he's an impact as far as physicality, as far as the big shot, as far as jumping into the attack," said NHL Network analyst Ken Daneyko, a New Jersey Devils defenseman from 1983-2003. "It's hard to argue … he's a well-deserved No. 1."
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Post by sharkhaywood on Aug 19, 2019 14:40:02 GMT -8
4. Erik Karlsson, San Jose Sharks In his first season in San Jose, Karlsson was limited to 53 games because of injury but had 45 points (three goals, 42 assists) to rank sixth among NHL defensemen in points per game (0.85). The 29-year-old had at least 62 points in five straight seasons through 2017-18, and his 563 points since entering the NHL in 2009-10 are the most among defensemen in that span, ahead of Burns' 532. Karlsson is a four-time Norris Trophy finalist, winning the award in 2011-12 and 2014-15, was voted to the NHL First All-Star Team three times (2014-17). 1. Brent Burns, San Jose Sharks For the second time in three seasons, Burns led NHL defensemen in scoring. His 83 points (16 goals, 67 assists) were an NHL career high. He also led NHL defensemen with six game-winning goals, and his seven power-play goals were tied for first with Drew Doughty (Los Angeles Kings) and Keith Yandle (Florida Panthers). The 34-year-old has scored at least 60 points in each of the past five seasons. He has been a finalist for the Norris Trophy as best defenseman in the NHL three of the past four seasons and was voted the winner of the award in 2016-17. Burns has 50 points (15 goals, 35 assists) in 60 Stanley Cup Playoff games since 2015-16 to lead defensemen in that span. "Any game, any situation, any time when Brent Burns is focused, he's an impact as far as physicality, as far as the big shot, as far as jumping into the attack," said NHL Network analyst Ken Daneyko, a New Jersey Devils defenseman from 1983-2003. "It's hard to argue … he's a well-deserved No. 1." Suck on that Doughty. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 19, 2019 14:41:49 GMT -8
4. Erik Karlsson, San Jose Sharks In his first season in San Jose, Karlsson was limited to 53 games because of injury but had 45 points (three goals, 42 assists) to rank sixth among NHL defensemen in points per game (0.85). The 29-year-old had at least 62 points in five straight seasons through 2017-18, and his 563 points since entering the NHL in 2009-10 are the most among defensemen in that span, ahead of Burns' 532. Karlsson is a four-time Norris Trophy finalist, winning the award in 2011-12 and 2014-15, was voted to the NHL First All-Star Team three times (2014-17). 1. Brent Burns, San Jose Sharks For the second time in three seasons, Burns led NHL defensemen in scoring. His 83 points (16 goals, 67 assists) were an NHL career high. He also led NHL defensemen with six game-winning goals, and his seven power-play goals were tied for first with Drew Doughty (Los Angeles Kings) and Keith Yandle (Florida Panthers). The 34-year-old has scored at least 60 points in each of the past five seasons. He has been a finalist for the Norris Trophy as best defenseman in the NHL three of the past four seasons and was voted the winner of the award in 2016-17. Burns has 50 points (15 goals, 35 assists) in 60 Stanley Cup Playoff games since 2015-16 to lead defensemen in that span. "Any game, any situation, any time when Brent Burns is focused, he's an impact as far as physicality, as far as the big shot, as far as jumping into the attack," said NHL Network analyst Ken Daneyko, a New Jersey Devils defenseman from 1983-2003. "It's hard to argue … he's a well-deserved No. 1." Suck on that Doughty. But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you  |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 19, 2019 14:43:48 GMT -8
Only have to be under the cap on opening night but I don't think the Sharks have the draft picks available to make a significant offer sheet. They don’t. But Patty is a team player, he’s in Marner’s ear right now and has already planted the seeds so that when Matthews is up, he’ll be done with the TO circus and will fly coach to SJ to sign at a bargain rate to help the Sharks to their 5th cup in 4 years. LOL 5th cup in 4 years... |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Aug 20, 2019 9:16:13 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you There is that. Going to be a long time before he sees another one with the Kings given their situation. |
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Post by cjelli on Aug 20, 2019 9:35:27 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you There is that. Going to be a long time before he sees another one with the Kings given their situation. With his latest contract, he's got time. |
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Post by Fugazi on Aug 20, 2019 9:38:41 GMT -8
Chris Johnston on a few topics...
via Sportsnet's YouTube channel,
0:26 - Patrik Laine's comments on not knowing where he'll play next season
1:19 - Laine and Kyle Connor: who will sign first?
2:47 - Will Mitch Marner be the first RFA to sign?
4:04 - Could the NHL go to a soft salary cap?
5:16 - Is arbitration for RFAs possible in the future?
6:29 - World Cup of Hockey reboot
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Post by Fugazi on Aug 20, 2019 12:35:11 GMT -8
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Aug 20, 2019 13:09:35 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Aug 20, 2019 13:49:32 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. I think they need to split the D trophies. The Noris for outstanding defensive defensemen and a new Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defensemen in the league. Doughty is a top notch D man but he proved to be a total pussy in not going after Tkachuck himself and instead left it for other guys on the team to go after someone much smaller than him. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 20, 2019 13:56:06 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you There is that. Going to be a long time before he sees another one with the Kings given their situation. But he's got the Todd now to lead the Kings to the promise land LOL. Even though I'm a Sharks fan, You can't take Doughty's name off the Cup it's on there forever. I don't think Thornton's name will ever make it on the cup, I'm hopeful but I just don't see it happening |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 20, 2019 14:16:36 GMT -8
True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. I think they need to split the D trophies. The Noris for outstanding defensive defensemen and a new Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defensemen in the league. Doughty is a top notch D man but he proved to be a total pussy in not going after Tkachuck himself and instead left it for other guys on the team to go after someone much smaller than him. Your comment makes no sense. You say Doughty is a top notch D Man, But yet he won't fight. If Doughty gets hurt because he fought Tkchuck then what do the Kings do. I haven't seen Burn fight & he's Bigger than Doughty, Karlson doesn't fight either. But Haley backs them up & he's smaller then those 2 guys. I know you don't like Doughty but you have to respect his game.. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 20, 2019 14:18:22 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. Agree with your statement. Would you trade Burns for Doughty? Offense for Defense ? |
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Post by sharkhaywood on Aug 20, 2019 15:16:09 GMT -8
I think they need to split the D trophies. The Noris for outstanding defensive defensemen and a new Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defensemen in the league. Doughty is a top notch D man but he proved to be a total pussy in not going after Tkachuck himself and instead left it for other guys on the team to go after someone much smaller than him. Your comment makes no sense. You say Doughty is a top notch D Man, But yet he won't fight. If Doughty gets hurt because he fought Tkchuck then what do the Kings do. I haven't seen Burn fight & he's Bigger than Doughty, Karlson doesn't fight either. But Haley backs them up & he's smaller then those 2 guys. I know you don't like Doughty but you have to respect his game.. Burns stands up for himself when a player starts taking runs at him like Tkachuk did. For example. or Burns has 7 career fights. I looked it up and now I see why Doughty doesn't fight. He has 1 career NHL fight and that was when he got beat up noted NHL tough guy Joe Thornton. Doughty's leadership was questioned around the league when he refused to fight Tkachuk. Tkachuk took a flying leap at a hit on him at center ice and then later that game elbowed him. Haley isn't exactly smaller than Karlsson either. Karlsson is 5'11" 190 and Haley is 5'10" 204. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Aug 20, 2019 16:28:45 GMT -8
True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. I think they need to split the D trophies. The Noris for outstanding defensive defensemen and a new Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defensemen in the league. Doughty is a top notch D man but he proved to be a total pussy in not going after Tkachuck himself and instead left it for other guys on the team to go after someone much smaller than him. Agree on the trophy’s and I’ve said the same thing since Burns won the Norris. There is already an award for the best defensive forward, so why not for the best offensive defenseman? Would be nice to see people recognized for actual defensive skill. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Aug 20, 2019 16:31:15 GMT -8
True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. Agree with your statement. Would you trade Burns for Doughty? Offense for Defense ? I wouldn’t trade for Doughty cause I can’t stand the guy...but the Sharks do need to find a way to balance the offensive mindset of their defense, especially if Jones continues to suck. |
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Post by jackalope on Aug 20, 2019 17:26:40 GMT -8
I would gladly take a dip in Burn's points if he regularly throws out hip-checks like in the Avs series. I really do miss Rob Blake sometimes.
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Post by Fugazi on Aug 20, 2019 17:43:55 GMT -8
Agree with your statement. Would you trade Burns for Doughty? Offense for Defense ? I wouldn’t trade for Doughty cause I can’t stand the guy...but the Sharks do need to find a way to balance the offensive mindset of their defense, especially if Jones continues to suck. If Dougie ever traded for Doughty I would burn down the Sharks headquarters. Said a friend |
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Post by danvilleshark on Aug 20, 2019 20:25:48 GMT -8
Burns does not like to fight. Guys know this and tow the mine with him because if you push him too far most won’t kike what comes next. He is also very well liked it seems as he has quite a few friendly conversations between plays with opponents.
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Post by John96 on Aug 21, 2019 5:58:53 GMT -8
But Doughty has 2 Stanley Cup rings That he would like to show you True...and while I can’t stand Doughty or the Kings, Doughty is much better from a defensive standpoint. In that whole paragraph about Burns...there is not one mention of any actual defensive zone ability. The Norris trophy should be re-named, re-branded, etc...it has absolutely nothing to do with defense any more. While I agree generally speaking I think the point is that defensemen like Burns and Karlsson help their teams win more than most guys, regardless of style. It is a one-sided situation but when you can produce like those guys can over the long haul you’ll almost never be a negative influence, no matter how many blunders lead to goals against because replacing the goals they provide is a much more difficult. While guys like Herman, Doughty, and Giordano are much more balanced they’re also a clear rung below Burns and Karlsson offensively. That probably doesn’t make them better or worse, it really is just all the more impressive how consistent guys like Burns have to score and drive offence to be in that same class. In Karlason’s and Burns’ Norris years you could have probably argued they should’ve been in the Hart conversation they were that good. |
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Post by danvilleshark on Aug 21, 2019 7:23:39 GMT -8
I do wonder how much the absence of the best luck defection player in the league will have. Other guys will have to get in the paint and be willing to pay the price but none of these guys has the hand eye coordination tontip in like Pavs. Might impact Burns assist total this year more than anyone else. Any way to see assist by goal scorer stat to see how big Pavs was to other shark players in this regard?
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Post by John96 on Aug 21, 2019 8:23:40 GMT -8
I do wonder how much the absence of the best luck defection player in the league will have. Other guys will have to get in the paint and be willing to pay the price but none of these guys has the hand eye coordination tontip in like Pavs. Might impact Burns assist total this year more than anyone else. Any way to see assist by goal scorer stat to see how big Pavs was to other shark players in this regard? Things will change for sure, likely in a big way but maybe with JT settled into a third line role and no Pavs to slow things up we’ll see a more open, fast, brand of hockey. |
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Post by Fugazi on Aug 21, 2019 9:18:42 GMT -8
via TSN's YouTube page,
OverDrive guest hosts Gord Miller and Mike Johnson rank the top 5 NHL teams they believe had the most productive off-season.
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Post by Fugazi on Aug 21, 2019 9:22:24 GMT -8
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Post by LordNelson on Aug 21, 2019 9:29:27 GMT -8
Wow, two Burns vids Sharkhaywood posted above are pretty impressive; completely smokes both opponents. Size and leverage his key in both. Then Burns serves up a fist the size of a grapefruit. Youch thats gotta hurt bad. If Burns carried a serious mean streak he'd be awfully intimidating on the ice.
A very angry Burns vs Reaves, I'd bet on Burns to dust him
But as a package deal, with his defensive rough spots and quirky style, I'll take Burns any day of the week. Burns for Charlie Coyle, Setoguchi and a 1st (Zack Phillips). DW committed highway robbery. I'm surprised Chuck Fletcher was offered another GM job after that one.
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Post by Marbles on Aug 21, 2019 13:24:17 GMT -8
I do wonder how much the absence of the best luck defection player in the league will have. Other guys will have to get in the paint and be willing to pay the price but none of these guys has the hand eye coordination tontip in like Pavs. Might impact Burns assist total this year more than anyone else. Any way to see assist by goal scorer stat to see how big Pavs was to other shark players in this regard? Things will change for sure, likely in a big way but maybe with JT settled into a third line role and no Pavs to slow things up we’ll see a more open, fast, brand of hockey. Im hoping for more creative play and really allow EK65 to open up too. Not just the cycle and fire from the blue line stagnant shit we've seen for years now. |
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Post by Marbles on Aug 21, 2019 13:25:40 GMT -8
Wow, two Burns vids Sharkhaywood posted above are pretty impressive; completely smokes both opponents. Size and leverage his key in both. Then Burns serves up a fist the size of a grapefruit. Youch thats gotta hurt bad. If Burns carried a serious mean streak he'd be awfully intimidating on the ice.
A very angry Burns vs Reaves, I'd bet on Burns to dust him
But as a package deal, with his defensive rough spots and quirky style, I'll take Burns any day of the week. Burns for Charlie Coyle, Setoguchi and a 1st (Zack Phillips). DW committed highway robbery. I'm surprised Chuck Fletcher was offered another GM job after that one.
I remember Mike Babcock coming off 2 second round exits to the Sharks said - That's a fucking huge pickup. Im pissed we didn't do it. |
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Post by Marbles on Aug 21, 2019 13:25:59 GMT -8
So, another day at 115 degrees and no news. Pass.
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Post by sharkhaywood on Aug 21, 2019 14:41:05 GMT -8
Wow, two Burns vids Sharkhaywood posted above are pretty impressive; completely smokes both opponents. Size and leverage his key in both. Then Burns serves up a fist the size of a grapefruit. Youch thats gotta hurt bad. If Burns carried a serious mean streak he'd be awfully intimidating on the ice.
A very angry Burns vs Reaves, I'd bet on Burns to dust him
But as a package deal, with his defensive rough spots and quirky style, I'll take Burns any day of the week. Burns for Charlie Coyle, Setoguchi and a 1st (Zack Phillips). DW committed highway robbery. I'm surprised Chuck Fletcher was offered another GM job after that one.
Burns trains with MMA fighters which I am sure is where he learned how to use his leverage. It is telling that nobody has challenged in the last couple of years. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Aug 21, 2019 14:42:09 GMT -8
I do wonder how much the absence of the best luck defection player in the league will have. Other guys will have to get in the paint and be willing to pay the price but none of these guys has the hand eye coordination tontip in like Pavs. Might impact Burns assist total this year more than anyone else. Any way to see assist by goal scorer stat to see how big Pavs was to other shark players in this regard? Things will change for sure, likely in a big way but maybe with JT settled into a third line role and no Pavs to slow things up we’ll see a more open, fast, brand of hockey. I hope you don't think JT is a speed burner |
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