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Post by Fugazi on Feb 25, 2020 12:53:13 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran.
Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.”
— Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020
Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter:
Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition.
Thornton went on to mention:
I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember.
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 25, 2020 12:55:21 GMT -8
In case you missed any trades, here is an itemised list of every trade made on February 24th, 2020.
1. The Edmonton Oilers acquired Mike Green (50% retained) from Detroit in exchange for Kyle Brodziak and a conditional 4th-round pick.
2. The Colorado Avalanche have acquired Vladislav Namestnikov from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for a 2021 4th-round pick.
3. The New York Islanders have acquired Jean-Gabriel Pageau from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for a 2020 1st-round pick, a 2020 2nd-round pick, and a conditional 2022 3rd-round pick
4. The Carolina Hurricanes have acquired Vincent Trocheck in exchange for Erik Haula, Lucas Wallmark, Chase Priskie, and Eetu Luostarinen.
5. The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired Nate Thompson in exchange for a 2020 5th-round pick.
6. The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired Patrick Marleau in exchange for a conditional 2020 3rd-round pick.
*If Pittsburgh wins the Stanley Cup, the pick is upgraded to the 2nd round.
7. The Colorado Avalanche have acquired Michael Hutchinson from Toronto in exchange for Calle Rosen
8. The Flyers have acquired Derek Grant from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for Kyle Criscuolo and a 2020 4th-round pick.
9. The Buffalo Sabres have acquired Wayne Simmonds (50% retained) in exchange for a conditional 2020 5th-round pick.
*Pick upgrades to the 4th round if Buffalo makes the playoffs and Simmonds plays at least 10 games.
10. The Bruins acquired Nick Ritchie from the Ducks in exchange for Danton Heinen.
11. The Senators acquired Matthew Peca in exchange for Aaron Luchuk and a 2020 7th-round pick.
12. The Oilers have acquired Ryan Kuffner and Andreas Athanasiou from the Red Wings in exchange for Sam Gagner (10% retained), a 2020 2nd-round pick, and a 2021 2nd-round pick.
13. The Oilers have acquired Tyler Ennis from the Senators in exchange for a 2021 5th-round pick.
14. Calgary acquires Derek Forbort from the Kings in exchange for a conditional 2021 4th-round pick.
15. The Penguins have acquired Evan Rodrigues and Connor Sheary from Buffalo in exchange for Dominik Kahun.
16. The Panthers have acquired Emil Djuse from the Dallas Stars in exchange for a 2020 6th-round pick.
17. The Hurricanes have acquired Sami Vatanen in exchange for Frederik Claesson, Janne Kuokkanen and a 2020 4th-round pick.
*Pick can upgrade to the 3rd round depending on games played by Vatanen.
18. A 3-way mess of a situation between Chicago, Toronto, and Vegas.
Chicago receives: Malcolm Subban and Slava Demin, and retain 2.5 million dollars of Robin Lehner's salary.
Toronto receives: A 2020 5th round pick, and retains 1.1 million dollars of Lehner's salary.
Vegas receives: Robin Lehner (1.4 million dollar cap hit), and Martin Dzierkals.
19. The Columbus Blue Jackets acquired Devin Shore from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for Sonny Milano.
20. The Carolina Hurricanes have acquired Brady Skjei in exchange for a 2020 1st-round pick.
21. Canucks have acquired Louis Domingue in exchange for Zane McIntyre.
22. The Lightning have acquired Barclay Goodrow and a 2020 3rd-round pick from the Sharks in exchange for Anthony Greco and a 2020 1st-round pick.
23. The Predators have acquired Korbinian Holzer in exchange for Matt Irwin and a 2020 6th-round pick.
24. Anaheim acquires Christian Djoos from Washington in exchange for Daniel Sprong.
25. Vegas acquired Nick Cousins from Montreal in exchange for a 2021 4th-round pick.
26. The Coyotes acquires Markus Hannikainen from Columbus in exchange for a conditional 2020 7th-round pick.
27. Philadelphia acquired Nathan Noel from Chicago in exchange for TJ Brennan.
28. Calgary acquires Erik Gustafsson from Chicago in exchange for a conditional 2020 3rd-round pick.
*Should Calgary receive a 3rd-round pick in the James Neal trade, Chicago receives the later pick between Calgary and Edmonton's.
29. Toronto acquired Matt Lorito from the New York Islanders in exchange for Jordan Schmaltz.
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Post by danvilleshark on Feb 25, 2020 13:21:31 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran. Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.” — Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020 Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter: Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember. |
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Post by cjelli on Feb 25, 2020 13:48:45 GMT -8
What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. The Sharks hit a home run with Pavs and Clowe. The Hertl draft was a home run until Brown took out his knee on a deliberate dirty hit. They have picked up role guys like Manny Malhotra in free agency. The Thorton deal was a home run. The Burns deal was very good. They have put a competitive team on the ice for a very long time. You have to give them credit for that. Its been a fun ride but this team now needs to be rebuilt. The one constant has been poor goalie selections. Thomas Greiss begs to differ. |
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 25, 2020 13:49:06 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran. Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.” — Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020 Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter: Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember. You think he's done with the Sharks after this season? |
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Post by cjelli on Feb 25, 2020 13:50:10 GMT -8
You think he's done with the Sharks after this season? Unless the unlikely event of Hasso kicking Dougie out happens. |
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Post by cjelli on Feb 25, 2020 13:51:44 GMT -8
But frankly, I have no sentiments for both Patty and Jumbo. Maybe I haven't been the fan long enough. But the fanfare of their extension early in the year 2013 - which already looked like an overpayment and a dubious move, which was followed by the reverse sweep killed any affection that might've begun forming.
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 25, 2020 13:52:40 GMT -8
The Sharks hit a home run with Pavs and Clowe. The Hertl draft was a home run until Brown took out his knee on a deliberate dirty hit. They have picked up role guys like Manny Malhotra in free agency. The Thorton deal was a home run. The Burns deal was very good. They have put a competitive team on the ice for a very long time. You have to give them credit for that. Its been a fun ride but this team now needs to be rebuilt. The one constant has been poor goalie selections. Thomas Greiss begs to differ. It's been all downhill since Warren Strelow passed away |
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Post by Marbles on Feb 25, 2020 14:15:47 GMT -8
What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. The Sharks hit a home run with Pavs and Clowe. The Hertl draft was a home run until Brown took out his knee on a deliberate dirty hit. They have picked up role guys like Manny Malhotra in free agency. The Thorton deal was a home run. The Burns deal was very good. They have put a competitive team on the ice for a very long time. You have to give them credit for that. Its been a fun ride but this team now needs to be rebuilt. The one constant has been poor goalie selections. I'd say goalie trouble is recent. Remember for a moment they Had Kipper, Toskala, Nabby. And then picked up Griess later. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Feb 25, 2020 14:57:42 GMT -8
Don't forget Dougie Jr is running the scouting Dept so you know that this pick with be a player we never heard of & a bust What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. They picked Timo Meier with the 10th pick & passed on Matthew Barzal who went 15th I believe. he Sharks already had Hertl a so called power forward, What they could of had with Barzal is Speed, Craftiness & playmaking. Now they got Hertl, Kane & Meier the same kind of player, Oh well What's done is done. |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Feb 25, 2020 15:00:20 GMT -8
You think he's done with the Sharks after this season? No, Dougie will re-sign Thornton give him a 2 year deal to smooth over any bad feeling's Thornton has. DW has a man crush on him |
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Post by sjsharks59 on Feb 25, 2020 15:02:52 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran. Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.” — Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020 Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter: Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions Teams want speed & grit in the playoff's, Not somebody standing on the half boards waiting to pass the puck . |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Feb 25, 2020 15:05:37 GMT -8
Don't forget Dougie Jr is running the scouting Dept so you know that this pick with be a player we never heard of & a bust What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. What “gem” have the Sharks mined in recent memory? Not trying to argue, I just can’t think of one since Pavelski. |
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 25, 2020 15:12:47 GMT -8
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Post by danvilleshark on Feb 25, 2020 15:19:46 GMT -8
But frankly, I have no sentiments for both Patty and Jumbo. Maybe I haven't been the fan long enough. But the fanfare of their extension early in the year 2013 - which already looked like an overpayment and a dubious move, which was followed by the reverse sweep killed any affection that might've begun forming. After reverse sweep I was everyone out. It made me ill to look at this team. Then somehow they went all the way to the finals. I could not have been more shocked. So I am like Sgt. Schultz. |
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Post by carolinasharksfan on Feb 25, 2020 15:35:01 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran. Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.” — Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020 Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter: Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember. I’m a big fan of JT...but he must be smoking the good stuff if he thinks he has “years left” to play. He should retire. |
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Post by John96 on Feb 25, 2020 19:20:11 GMT -8
What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. They picked Timo Meier with the 10th pick & passed on Matthew Barzal who went 15th I believe. he Sharks already had Hertl a so called power forward, What they could of had with Barzal is Speed, Craftiness & playmaking. Now they got Hertl, Kane & Meier the same kind of player, Oh well What's done is done. That was a Tim Burke pick. His track record is well known and it wasn’t pretty. The Merkley pick a couple years ago made me wonder if they made a philosophical shift in scouting when they switched to DWJR. |
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Post by John96 on Feb 25, 2020 19:35:18 GMT -8
What is his record with picks? Tim Burke was in that position up until a couple years ago. Sharks drafting hasn’t been great but it is all a gamble come draft day. Every team has some bad picks and busts and every team has some gems. What “gem” have the Sharks mined in recent memory? Not trying to argue, I just can’t think of one since Pavelski. Nothing recently. Jury is out on Merkley. Might be a stud, might be a dud. Don’t see much middle ground with him. Guess it depends how we define gem. Going back they traded up for Couture which turned out to be quite smart. A lot of fans didn’t like that move, and/or pick. Hertl wasn’t very different. Vlasic in the second round was a great ROI. Also found solid contributors in late rounds like Bonino, Braun, Labanc, and Demers. Drafting and development has been this team’s fatal flaw for a long time, not trying to defend it but making a point that a new guy is in charge now and after two years it’s not fair to judge his work just yet. Perhaps he’s just a puppet for those who came before him but I don’t know of any evidence pointing to that and it’s a different conversation entirely. |
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Post by jackalope on Feb 25, 2020 20:36:06 GMT -8
Joe Thornton was an advocate for San Jose to bring back Patrick Marleau this season, and when the team traded Marleau to a contender and didn't move Thornton along with him, it appears it struck a cord with the veteran. Joe Thornton: “As you get older you realize you only have so many shots at this thing, and it would have been nice to have a chance. ... I wanted a shot. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years.” — Kevin Kurz (@kkurznhl) February 25, 2020 Sharks GM, Doug Wilson had this to say on the matter: Joe was very involved in the process and was willing to explore it. Ultimately it didn't come to fruition. Thornton went on to mention: I really don't know why. Obviously the teams went in different directions. That's obviously what happened because I'm still here and still a Shark, which I'm happy to be. I wanted another shot at the Cup, I'm getting a little older. It's not my last hurrah, I still think I've got years left. Obviously I was willing to go somewhere and try to win my first Stanley Cup. I've been dreaming about that forever, since I can remember. I think the comments have been blown way out of proportion. Kurz is a super dishonest journalist that like most of the mainstream media, writes/videos interviews/articles in a way, to create controversy out of nothing. For the drafting, one could argue that the team has had low/limited drafting from "the successful seasons". But at some point (I have no drafting or scouting experiences) some of the duds had to have been a little obvious i.e. not drafting Kopitar when the chance was there? |
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Post by cjelli on Feb 25, 2020 20:42:25 GMT -8
That's what you get for the reverse sweep and for a $8M contract at the age of 38 and a $5M contract at the age of 39 and an injured knee.
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Post by d5shark on Feb 25, 2020 22:41:28 GMT -8
That's what you get for the reverse sweep and for a $8M contract at the age of 38 and a $5M contract at the age of 39 and an injured knee. Also, there were teams interested. Jumbo was not interested in those teams. Who is at fault? |
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Post by danvilleshark on Feb 26, 2020 9:09:11 GMT -8
The season sucks but this poor guy is having real problems:
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 9:25:32 GMT -8
The season sucks but this poor guy is having real problems: Jesus, Gackle needs mental help. |
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 9:58:02 GMT -8
OLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – Peter Laviolette (Franklin, Mass.), one of the most accomplished coaches in American hockey history and a two-time Olympian as a player, has been named head coach of the U.S. Men’s National Team that will participate in the 2020 International Ice Hockey Federation Men’s World Championship it was announced today by USA Hockey. The event will take place in Zurich and Lausanne, Switzerland, from May 8-24.
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 10:01:04 GMT -8
If he played for Boston nothing would happen
NEW YORK (Feb. 26, 2020) – New Jersey Devils forward John Hayden has been fined $2,016.13, the maximum allowable under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, for cross-checking Detroit Red Wings forward Tyler Bertuzzi during NHL Game No. 975 in Detroit on Tuesday, Feb. 25, the National Hockey League’s Department of Player Safety announced today.
The incident occurred at 19:14 of the third period. Hayden was assessed a major penalty and game misconduct for cross-checking.
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Post by cjelli on Feb 26, 2020 13:24:28 GMT -8
How would the hockey writers live without Toronto: If Thornton is not sold on the Sharks, and he’s willing to seek out new life (boldly go where no one has gone before), my prediction is Toronto will be a factor. I can’t confirm this, but I believe the Maple Leafs considered adding him now.
... Thornton’s made it clear he will make his salary fit.
when you combine the interest the Leafs had in Thornton, with the this last minute push, and Thornton’s desire to move on from San Jose, it seems unfortunate that something couldn’t have been worked out there.
Joe Thornton should've made his salary fit between 2017 and 2019 seasons, when he fleeced Dougie for $15M.
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Post by sjsharks59 on Feb 26, 2020 16:05:31 GMT -8
How would the hockey writers live without Toronto: If Thornton is not sold on the Sharks, and he’s willing to seek out new life (boldly go where no one has gone before), my prediction is Toronto will be a factor. I can’t confirm this, but I believe the Maple Leafs considered adding him now.
... Thornton’s made it clear he will make his salary fit.
when you combine the interest the Leafs had in Thornton, with the this last minute push, and Thornton’s desire to move on from San Jose, it seems unfortunate that something couldn’t have been worked out there.
Joe Thornton should've made his salary fit between 2017 and 2019 seasons, when he fleeced Dougie for $15M.
Thornton has become a whiner, like a spoiled little kid. Hope he realizes he may never win the cup no matter what team he goes to. |
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 18:10:21 GMT -8
Marleau vs Kings tonight on NBCSN at 7:30
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 19:16:18 GMT -8
From Elliot Freidman
3. Boy, it was tough reading those Joe Thornton quotes on Tuesday.
“It would have been nice to at least have a chance,” he told reporters in Philadelphia. “I wanted a shot, you know? Believe it or not. I’ve been hunting this thing down for 22 years, so I wanted another shot at it…. Back to the grind, and that’s how it is.”
Sharks GM Doug Wilson made it clear that interested parties had to be legit Stanley Cup contenders to make the pitch. I heard Boston never went far down the road, and the Dallas interest wasn’t huge. Thornton’s hilarious personality obscures his burning pride/desire, but don’t kid yourself — it’s there.
San Jose’s plan is to return to contention in 2020-21, and the big question is if Jumbo Joe believes the Sharks can do it. If he doesn’t, he’s going to have to consider breaking his comfort zone. Patrick Marleau’s speed makes him an easier fit for a mid-season switch. Thornton’s gifts — his intelligence and skill — are harder to translate at this time of year, but I do think there are teams who would be willing to make it work if he started the season with them.
4. If Thornton is not sold on the Sharks, and he’s willing to seek out new life (boldly go where no one has gone before), my prediction is Toronto will be a factor. I can’t confirm this, but I believe the Maple Leafs considered adding him now. Two things stopped it: 1) their decision not to make short-term fixes after the Carolina loss, and 2) are they really a legit contender if they have to go through Boston or Tampa Bay or both? When GM Kyle Dubas said he wanted to see how his group would respond to its tough stretch, he meant it. Thornton would have eased the tension right now, but the organization wants to see how everyone top to bottom reacts and performs. Next season is a different story.
5. Thornton’s made it clear he will make his salary fit. He’s a left-hand shot who could feed Auston Matthews/John Tavares from his strong side. (They have spent plenty of time with Zach Hyman and William Nylander on their weak sides, although both have had strong seasons.) There’s the Greyhound connection. People forget, too, that Thornton’s been through the ringer. The first playoff series I covered for Hockey Night in Canada was Boston/Montreal 2004, where the Canadiens came back from 3–1 down to win. Thornton came under huge criticism with articles demanding he be stripped of his captaincy. He survived and will walk into the Hall of Fame. Good message for Toronto’s young core. Anyway, something to chew on.
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Post by Fugazi on Feb 26, 2020 19:17:04 GMT -8
And there it is from the Toronto media
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